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    Animal Search Results

    That's the list within 50km of Sydney for RSPCA.

    6 pages of dogs and puppies and about 4 that aren't marked as x breed.

    I must admit kelpie and JRT owners have a lot to answer for.

    But the "designer dogs" are in there in force too. No cavs but quite a few maltese. And a hell of a lot that I would attribute to BYB whose own balls are connected to their dog's balls.

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    I actually think we are all saying the same thing, the fact is that you all like purebreds and I like my designer dogs. End of the day we all want the same thing and that is that shelters be minimised with people surrendering dogs. You all believe that the BYB is to blame, whilst I feel that people not desexing dogs as well as the fact that pet shops and some breeders sell dogs to individuals who really are not geared up to look after that breed. people are so shallow minded that they will buy a puppy because it looks cute today, not thinking about in twelve months time that dog will grow up and not look like a fluffy puppy anymore. I know of some people who live in a unit and bought a Border Collie, because it looked cute. That is irresponsible on behalf of the buyer but I also believe the seller is too blame as well. People should have to be able to prove that they have the capacity to care for that breed.

    If a dog is surrended to a group like the RSPCA or the AWL, I think questions need to be asked of the origins of that dog and why that dog was initially sold to that individual. Yes, people situation change and the need for shelter is very real but if the pet shop did not sell a dog to a family who is not suited to that breed and mandatory desexing was introduced, how many less dogs would be put down?

    The point I was trying to highlight was that if you look on the RSPCA website we have a lot of dogs who are working X dogs LIKE cattle dogs, Kelpies etc, the rest have a fairly constant representation.

    I dont need to prove to anyone what health checks or vet checks I received for my dog, because the fact is that I was satisfied when I bought my dog and if you want to call her a mutt, hey do so because I still love her just as much.

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    I give up...You are obviously going to keep twisting and turning and changing your story.

    this was never an issue about crossbred-v-purebred. The whole point was you boasting about how great this puppy farm was...

    i only brought up the health checks because Aussie Floyd said that they probably didn't do all those and you told her not to presume so much...which would imply that they did???

    I am glad you are happy with your dog. You are right, you don't need to prove anything to any one; however you are not making a very good argument about why dds are better

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    Personally I don't give a rat's about crossbreeding, my dogs are both crossbreed rescues (bitsa, mutt, mongrel, whatever - not 'designer' because IMO that's a ridiculous term to apply to a dog and would be better reserved for handbags) and I can't agree they would be better off not having been born.

    But from what I can see that place is a hell hole and people looking there for a puppy should take a serious look at its practices - yes, including health checks and genetic testing.

    And T-rex, I thought your original point was that we should all 'get a life'? Wonder why people don't take you seriously.

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    Meegsndogs, I never meant this to be serious, to me this was a little bit of fun. Although my thoughts on BYB'S, Desexing as well as the capabilities of people to look after dogs are serious.

    You gotta admit we all really got into it and it was fun. If I insulted anyone, you have my sincerest apology. I guess I took this thread totally off the track as Myf was trying to achieve something else. You may not appreciate my idea of fun, but it was funny to see peoples reactions.

    I have seen first hand what sort of morons consider themselves dog owners as I used to walk dogs as a volunteer for the AWL . As I said I know of some people who lived in a small unit and they bought a Border Collie, the only reason the wife wanted this dog was because it looked so cute and fluffy. They then surrended this dog due to behaviour issues, this dog could not be rehomed and was put down. This was really sad as it was not the dogs fault, it was the owners fault.

    I find it really annoying that I could walk into any pet shop and if I have the cash I can buy a dog with no questions asked. No question will be asked about my garden, how secure it is, will my lifestyle allow me to provide the attention to this dog needs, can I afford the upkeep of the dog. Then we wonder why we have so many dogs who need to be rehomed or will face death row.

    I guess I am still remaining off the topic, but the point of it is that all pet shops and breeders are doing this as a business and making a healthy little profit whilst doing it. The aim is to move as many dogs as possible without any consideration on where these dogs are going. I am interested on anyones thoughts on Murray River Puppies, this is another breeder who I found to be good, I even drove the 4hrs from Melbourne to visit them and check out the facilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3690anmari View Post
    Hybrids can be intraspecies too, they can be created by crossing different cultivars, populations or breeds. Very popular in cattle for better beef production thought dad being an Angus. Devon hybrids make good diary cattle. But this forum is not about cattle, it is about dogs. If hybrid vigour is present in dogs I don't think its as measurable as it would be in cattle. After all we don't eat them and we don't milk them. However, if you measure it in terms of heterozygosity, which hybridisation aims to increase, perhaps crossbred dogs do have hybrid vigour.

    Heterozyous means that the pairs of genes, one from mum one from dad, are not the same. Great for removing the effect of recessive genetic diseases by having the dominant normal gene present. This means that the first generation crossbred pup has the potential to be a carrier for more diseases than a purebred, depending on their parent breeds. This also is why hybrid vigour only work for one generation. Following generations lose their heterozygosity and become increasingly likely to be h0mozygous, which includes being h0mozygous for nasty recessive diseases like Prcd-PRA. (After some time they will become as h0mozygous as a purebreed)

    If both parents, regardless of breed, are carriers for a disease there is a chance that their pups will be affected by that disease even if it is a crossbred.

    Unfortunately this doesn't change the fact that too many breeders (including purebreeders) don't do all the health checks that they should on mum and dad before breeding. Which in turn contributes to too many dogs ending up being unwanted. I look forward to getting a dog from a pound one day, maybe after OH gets his Labrador. That would be dog number 3, might need a new house with a bigger yard before that can happen.
    Whilst this has only been proven beyond doubt in many years of testing from crossing different breeds of cattle, the old DPI has many years of data on this, proving it (hybrid vigour) does exist within a species, no one has done scientific studies on dogs in this country, it has been done in others, and crosses, not deliberate designers, just random crosses, come out way in front of pure bred dogs for longevity and over all health, anecdotal evidence does point to genetic diversity produced by mixing different lines or even breeds being very benificial to health of progeny.

    It is just a pity that so many have jumped on this bandwagon to sell pups who have not been bred from carefully selected parents.just as has been allowed by our ANKC with registered breeders, making us a less than credible oganisation when compared to what some overseas registering bodies insist on from their members.

    If you have the best to offer all round, there can be no worry of where most buyers will go, whilst ever any registered breeder is allowed to offer below standard pups to public by the ANKC bodies, often at quite high prices too, the public will continue to be fooled by statements made by all sorts of alternate breeders.

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    So glad we amused you Trex. People posting windups on forums are called trolls.

    Any posts made under the name of Di_dee1 one can be used by anyone as I do not give a rats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Di_dee1 View Post
    So glad we amused you Trex. People posting windups on forums are called trolls.

    Hooray.... glad someone took the words out of my mouth, thankies Di

    & members may wonder why i'm so rude to some new members whom i suspect are trolls..... IMO trolls don't deserve my respect & i treat them with dis-respect just as they treat us members with dis-respect.
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    Arghhhh, the trouble maker is back!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie Floyd View Post
    Hooray.... glad someone took the words out of my mouth, thankies Di
    You're welcome AF.

    Any posts made under the name of Di_dee1 one can be used by anyone as I do not give a rats.

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