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    T Rex, please respond to my query regarding your duplicate user-accounts. TIA.
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    If only the ANKC breeders tested for what CAN be tested for (that is not a lot, out of 500 so far known genetic conditions across all breeds) before any ANKC registered dog was bred, these designer dogs would not have any credibility, truth is not all registered breeders test for what can be tested for, and many genetic conditions are breed related, yet you can choose to test or not in many cases, in other countries this is not the case, breeders are made to do the right thing, this gives all registered breeders credibility, we need to address this to beat backyard breeders, we need to clean up our own backyard before bothering about designer dog breeders claims, they are actually no bigger liars than the ANKC.

    Hybrid vigour does NOT mean no genetic problems, anyone who either ignors that or has not grasped that needs to go back to either ethics or common sense.

    The designer breeders who make those claims are as bad the those who will tell you that they have NO faults in THEIR lines of pure bred ANKC registered dogs, BULL on both sides to that.

    Offer a better choice every time, not just tell the poor public to go find a hens tooth, and there would be no competion, backyarders and designers whould not get a look in, it is up to the ANKC to do just this.

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    What is a responsible companion animal breeder? - RSPCA Australia knowledgebase

    Like I said, RSPCA is loaded with good info.

    For SA, the listed dogs available from the RSPCA are all cross breeds
    Shih Tzu X Maltese
    Maltese cross
    Great Dane cross
    2 Staffordshire Bull Terrier X
    Chihuahua x
    Bitza
    Bitza
    GSD x
    Poodle X

    So there you go, not a pure bred dog amoung the lot of them.

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    The facts seem to contradict your view of reality. If you want to write fiction, I suggest you find another forum.

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    Hybrid vigour doesn't exist in dogs - they are all the same species. Canis Familiaris. It relates to the crossing of different species, such as a horse with a donkey, a lion witha tiger etc. Hybrids are also subject to their own set of health concerns, in any species.

    The reason you don't recognise these designer crossbreds when they end up in pounds is that by the time they stop being a tiny cute fluffy pup they don't look anything like you expect. Go through some pound lists with an experienced eye for them and you will see they are arriving there every day. I can't even count the ons I've seen advertised through just a couple of pounds over the last two weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nattylou View Post
    Hybrid vigour doesn't exist in dogs - they are all the same species. Canis Familiaris. It relates to the crossing of different species, such as a horse with a donkey, a lion witha tiger etc. Hybrids are also subject to their own set of health concerns, in any species.
    Hybrids can be intraspecies too, they can be created by crossing different cultivars, populations or breeds. Very popular in cattle for better beef production thought dad being an Angus. Devon hybrids make good diary cattle. But this forum is not about cattle, it is about dogs. If hybrid vigour is present in dogs I don't think its as measurable as it would be in cattle. After all we don't eat them and we don't milk them. However, if you measure it in terms of heterozygosity, which hybridisation aims to increase, perhaps crossbred dogs do have hybrid vigour.

    Heterozyous means that the pairs of genes, one from mum one from dad, are not the same. Great for removing the effect of recessive genetic diseases by having the dominant normal gene present. This means that the first generation crossbred pup has the potential to be a carrier for more diseases than a purebred, depending on their parent breeds. This also is why hybrid vigour only work for one generation. Following generations lose their heterozygosity and become increasingly likely to be h0mozygous, which includes being h0mozygous for nasty recessive diseases like Prcd-PRA. (After some time they will become as h0mozygous as a purebreed)

    If both parents, regardless of breed, are carriers for a disease there is a chance that their pups will be affected by that disease even if it is a crossbred.

    Unfortunately this doesn't change the fact that too many breeders (including purebreeders) don't do all the health checks that they should on mum and dad before breeding. Which in turn contributes to too many dogs ending up being unwanted. I look forward to getting a dog from a pound one day, maybe after OH gets his Labrador. That would be dog number 3, might need a new house with a bigger yard before that can happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    What is a responsible companion animal breeder? - RSPCA Australia knowledgebase

    Like I said, RSPCA is loaded with good info.

    For SA, the listed dogs available from the RSPCA are all cross breeds
    Shih Tzu X Maltese
    Maltese cross
    Great Dane cross
    2 Staffordshire Bull Terrier X
    Chihuahua x
    Bitza
    Bitza
    GSD x
    Poodle X

    So there you go, not a pure bred dog amoung the lot of them.

    T-Rex
    The facts seem to contradict your view of reality. If you want to write fiction, I suggest you find another forum.
    Hyacinth, not sure if different areas have different ranges of dogs, but when I look at my local RSPCA, they have a lot of working dogs Cattledogs X etc. But they also have a few purebreds as well. This is a persumption, but with the bulk of them being Cattledog X, I would imagine that this would be caused bythe dog's owner not getting the dogs desexed. I am not saying that designer dogs do not get abbandoned, but they do not get abbandoned at any escelated rate above and beyond any other type of dog.

    I have not contradicted myself at all. It seems to me that we have a few people who are on this forum who wear blinkers and have their heads in the sand. I choose not to have purebreds, because I enjoy what a designer dog offers as a companion. If you and most other people had this same attitude towards humans you would be labelled a Racist.

    I belive the faults we have so many "Muts" is due to people not getting dogs desexed and it is all too easy to buy a dog from a pet shop or breeder. I dont mean to sound all zen but end of the day it is a living animal who breaths and feels but some people forget this as they get carried away with how cute the puppy looks.

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    talk about blinders...you keep ignoring my posts and questions about health checks...as previously said...the NSW RSPCA site has several dds

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    Why answer questions when you can ignore them to try to make yourself sound more credible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by T Rex View Post
    Hyacinth, not sure if different areas have different ranges of dogs, but when I look at my local RSPCA, they have a lot of working dogs Cattledogs X etc. But they also have a few purebreds as well. This is a persumption, but with the bulk of them being Cattledog X, I would imagine that this would be caused bythe dog's owner not getting the dogs desexed. I am not saying that designer dogs do not get abbandoned, but they do not get abbandoned at any escelated rate above and beyond any other type of dog.

    I have not contradicted myself at all. It seems to me that we have a few people who are on this forum who wear blinkers and have their heads in the sand. I choose not to have purebreds, because I enjoy what a designer dog offers as a companion. If you and most other people had this same attitude towards humans you would be labelled a Racist.

    I belive the faults we have so many "Muts" is due to people not getting dogs desexed and it is all too easy to buy a dog from a pet shop or breeder. I dont mean to sound all zen but end of the day it is a living animal who breaths and feels but some people forget this as they get carried away with how cute the puppy looks.

    Peace Out!

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought any dog, regardless of its breed, offers great companionship. This quality is not related to breed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T Rex View Post
    Hyacinth, not sure if different areas have different ranges of dogs, but when I look at my local RSPCA, they have a lot of working dogs Cattledogs X etc. But they also have a few purebreds as well. This is a persumption, but with the bulk of them being Cattledog X, I would imagine that this would be caused bythe dog's owner not getting the dogs desexed. I am not saying that designer dogs do not get abbandoned, but they do not get abbandoned at any escelated rate above and beyond any other type of dog.

    I have not contradicted myself at all. It seems to me that we have a few people who are on this forum who wear blinkers and have their heads in the sand. I choose not to have purebreds, because I enjoy what a designer dog offers as a companion. If you and most other people had this same attitude towards humans you would be labelled a Racist.

    I belive the faults we have so many "Muts" is due to people not getting dogs desexed and it is all too easy to buy a dog from a pet shop or breeder. I dont mean to sound all zen but end of the day it is a living animal who breaths and feels but some people forget this as they get carried away with how cute the puppy looks.

    Peace Out!
    About 25% of dogs in shelters are purebred.

    All dogs offer great companionship, whether purebred or not.

    Designer dogs, if they arn't recognised by a kennel club, then they are not a breed. Putting a Beagle and a Cavalier KCS together does not create a breed.
    If that was the case, then there would be no such thing as a 'mutt'.
    I love, love, love my two mixes, and I wouldn't swap them for anything. But I do not agree with the fact they are crossbreeds. If that makes sense.

    Majority of the shelter dogs I meet/see are Kelpie X, SBT X, SWF X and Cavvie X...
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