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    Quote Originally Posted by Red View Post
    If this breeder is now aware of this defect,and plans to breed the same 2 dogs again,i would be reporting that breeder and the situation to the kennel club of your state and or country,but thats me. It sounds like they dont care for the dogs at all,just the $$ that the pups will bring in.

    Im glad i found this forum. I sent a few emails out to breeders myself in regards to adopting a purebred puppy and while i finally got a reply from a breeder only about an hour away from me,i am even still going to go with a breeder from NSW as i have heard nothing but good reports from this breeder in this forum.
    Thanks Red, this is why I'm trying to get the point out there to other puppy buyers that not all registered breeders are ethical. People say to ask questions, etc but I can't see my breeder telling potential puppy buyers that she produced a pup with SAS, and even if she did most people wouldn't know what it is so she could talk her way out of it.

    I would suggest anyone buying a pedigree dog does a google search on health problems for the breed and does a lot of research. Looking on forums like this can also be very informative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mollinator View Post
    Thanks Nattylou By state governing body do you mean the state dog club? If so, there's no point, the breeder is an important member of the club I've also been informed that going to other dog regulatory bodies would be a waste of time because they won't do anything.

    There are some Rottweiler breeders who are disgusted and concerned about my breeder's response but that won't stop the bloodline being bred throughout the country. I fear for the future of this beautiful breed.
    I meant like Dogs NSW, Dogs Vic etc. Or the ANKC - Australian National Kennel Club.

    It makes me want to tear my hair out, this ostrich mentaility that some breeders have. I have a friend who has been in their breed for a good many years, and this breed was always reknowned for health etc.

    Then early onset blindness started showing up. It was traced back to one imported male who was extensively used in the breed. So the condition is now widespread. Testing is not yet mandatory for this condition, yet breeders are testing for it. Responsible people within the breed have been desexing or removing from their breeding plans some very, VERY good dogs, because they have been found to be carriers. Other breeders are still breeding from known carriers... despite knowing that they carry this condition and it can appear in any of their pups...

    The good breeders are at their wits end trying to pull the others into line. I think they will eventually turn back to the ANKC to do it for them, as they are the National Governing body. But if they don't tell the ANKC they won't know the extent of the problem. How many people will buy a pet from this breed and devote all their love to it like you have Moll, only to find their happiness cut short?

    Some people just can't behave responsibly without being forced into it. Stupid really. Same as anything. I quite firmly believe that teaching people (adults I suppose!) to be ethical and well behaved is very nearly impossible. You either are ethical and resposible, or you're not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mollinator View Post
    Yes, the breeder is registered by ANKC. SAS is not recognised as a genetic health issue in Australia so there is no testing. It's also not listed ANYWHERE as being a genetic problem on Australian websites. I would assume that in another 10 years or so it will be a big problem in Australia because of this type of breeder.
    That is EXACTLY what I am talking about

    The easiest thing is to breed and if it's not a written rule - who cares! A lot, and I mean A LOT of breeders are like that. In my life I only met two people who test their dogs (and litters) regardless, whether it's obligatory or not. They are true dog/breed lovers and they care about all the tiny little details apart from their dogs looking great at shows.

    If you know that there is a certain issue with the breed and if you really care that that breed stays well for generations and gives dogs that are healthy as well as pretty and have appropriate nature - you are selective and careful as hell, you do tests as a percaution, not because it's regulated or not by some institution. The main reason why so many breeds are practically ruined, unhealthy is because it's a very costly "business". It takes up a lot of knowledge, patience, love, sacrifice and - money of course.
    Respect and you shall be respected. Animal is always right.

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    I am so sorry to hear about Molly At least she is lucky enough to have someone to care for and love her. Good luck with whichever decision you make.

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    I'm sorry to hear about your dog, it must be heartbreaking. At least she has someone who will love her to the end.

    I am disgusted by your breeder's behaviour though, why breed from the same parents when there is a clear health defect?

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    How upsetting. i don't think you can call that breeder 'reputable'...
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    Thank you for sharing your story and I'm so sorry that you and your poor puppy are having to go through this

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    Sorry to hear of your trouble, not as unusual as one would like it to be for breeders to breed faulty dogs, the controlling bodies will not intervene in Australia, any tests that are now required in certain breeds were mostly bought about by breed clubs being concerned, not ANKC bodies, if this breeder were in Germany her/his dogs would very likely be given one more chance and then a breed warden from the controlling registry would come and take them and return them desexed, may we one day see such zeal, then we might start to catch up to other countries who have a truly ethical body behind dog breeding, then good breeders would not be so isolated.
    You have been advised rightly about governing bodies not caring, they do not and will not enter into any contentious matter between buyer and seller, some states will not even guarantee that you will get your papers if your breeder does not send them on to you.

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    I was involved in a rather lengthy debate on DOL where I basically got slammed for saying that buyers should research health problems before they look for a puppy so they can make sure they ask the breeder all the right health questions.

    The question was pertaining to breeders giving preference to buyers asking about health testing, basically I said yes, I would give preference because it shows the buyer has done their research etc etc. But not only that it is of great benefit to the buyer to learn the problems in the breed to try and get the healthiest puppy possible.

    I'm not saying you did the wrong thing, I'm just saying that we should be trying to educate anyone looking at a new puppy to look into the health problems of the breed... it is just so, so important with the amount of unethical breeders out there.

    There is a big difference between registered and reputable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crested_Love View Post
    I was involved in a rather lengthy debate on DOL where I basically got slammed for saying that buyers should research health problems before they look for a puppy so they can make sure they ask the breeder all the right health questions.
    What kind of person would argue with that??

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