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    Any dog can get flyblown if negected - you should see some of the DD types I've seen come out of pounds!!

    Sorry to disgree Ashaari, and it is in the nicest terms of course!!

    Lots of breeds have heavy coat around their trousers and tail area which quickly become badly soiled and a fly hazard if not cared for. It's an age old excuse for docking - not good enough. If you can't care for it don't have it. Cutting a tail off is not a replacement for management and care.

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    Exactly Natty. Same as cropping ears to avoid infections. Cropping and docking isn't a replacement for general pet hygiene.
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    The only dogs that make sense to me to be docked are ones specifically bred to be guard dogs such as dobermans or rottweilers.
    There is a genuine reason for them being docked (no 'handle' for trespassers to grab hold of, plus tail wagging doesn't show) But in this day and age alarm systems are far more effective and safer than a guard dog.
    Are guard dogs even legal here any more?

    Cropping is also cosmetic. Sometimes cropping can actually increase ear infections due to a higher risk of foreign bodies entering the ear. Yeah I know, you are thinking 'hey wait, what about prick eared breeds?' but they generally have more hair inside the ear canal to offer extra protection. That's why I am not a huge fan of plucking hair from the ears. Mine just get trimmed, but not plucked.
    Not to mention recurring ear infections are often genetic. I have a poodle who has never had an infection in his life, none of the dogs in his pedigree have either.
    I have another poodle who constantly gets them... and so did her mother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nattylou View Post
    Any dog can get flyblown if negected - you should see some of the DD types I've seen come out of pounds!!

    Sorry to disgree Ashaari, and it is in the nicest terms of course!!

    Lots of breeds have heavy coat around their trousers and tail area which quickly become badly soiled and a fly hazard if not cared for. It's an age old excuse for docking - not good enough. If you can't care for it don't have it. Cutting a tail off is not a replacement for management and care.
    I have never really though of it that way.
    I thought it had more to do with the way they held their tail I dont know all the OES I know are docked. But when my tibby broke his tail the vet said to dock it because he couldnt get it out of the way well enough. He said it was like OES. Maybe he was wrong.
    Thanx Natty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crested_Love View Post
    Yeah I know, you are thinking 'hey wait, what about prick eared breeds?' but they generally have more hair inside the ear canal to offer extra protection. .
    Correct. Even the hairyness of Lady's prick ears compared to Roly's button ears has a noticeable difference.
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    We hunted Rosie out 7 years ago and picked her specifically because that litter was not docked - 2 years prior to docking in Vic being written out of law.

    The crap we used to take about it, I swear - people can be nasty!

    If a dog is born with a tail, it stays there I say. I have never agreed with docking; I consider it to be completely inhumane. As for the arguments that dogs with excessively lowset tails getting fly-blown should be docked - that is just complete and utter irresponsibility on the part of the owner, nothing to do with the tail.

    And as for being a guard dog as a suitable reason for docking - are you insane? Have you ever seen a police dog with a docked tail because it's a police dog and it's tail might get grabbed by the bad guy? Or it might wag a tail and tell the bad guys that it's OK? Tail wagging is an excitement reflex - a dog can be biting your thoat and still wagging it's tail - that is nothing to do with "happiness" (even though happiness is the general indication of a wagging tail) - and everything to do with the physical arrangement of the muscles that wags a dogs tail.

    To use your argument, women that work in men's jobs should have their boobs removed just so as not to confuse people.

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    Pinkest. You misunderstood my post entirely and your analogy has nothing to do with the point.

    Before the bans were bought in it was impossible to get an undocked dog from a reputable breeder. Only BYB's left the tails on, the docked tail was part of the breed standard, something BYB's don't give a rats about.

    As I said... I'm glad it is banned.

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    Thanks for your response Crested Love, but it's pretty hard to misconstrue your words "The only dogs that make sense to me to be docked are ones specifically bred to be guard dogs such as dobermans or rottweilers.
    There is a genuine reason for them being docked (no 'handle' for trespassers to grab hold of, plus tail wagging doesn't show) "

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    Police dogs and guard dogs are different.

    If you have a police dog chasing after you with gnashing teeth, barking, growling and has a cop running behind it you aren't going to take much notice of the tail.
    Plus police dogs are specifically trained to handle certain situations.

    With Guard dogs if someone is going to rob somewhere they are going to survey the property first, from behind the fence... giving them opportunity to judge the dogs reaction to them before jumping the fence. Not all guard dogs are chosen for their temperament and training, some are just there because they 'look tough'

    Don't know if the way I explained it makes sense but it is how it was explained to me by a Dobie breeder in the US.

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