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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate View Post
    Amy ,there are also other things to take into consideration of why Poppy is acting like this.

    Right now, I don't beleive it is fear or anything like that - well, not in a round-about way.

    She thinks you need protection maybe. She might think you are not the one who can take care of everything. You know you are, but dogs osmetimes think otherwise, due to their upbringng and events/socialisation etc.
    Sleeping ON you, or UNDER you is not a good thing to allow her to do, especially in light of her recent behaviour towards strangers. She has to learn that you will rule this house, you will make decisions of who comes and goes, YOU - NOT HER.
    Hope that mkes some sense for you. Too tired to get into it and explain at length - I;m sorry.

    I did wonder about that DA. And still do think that maybe it was a combination of both.

    But she did spend a lot of her time hiding under the table, or under a chair, or behind a stool and even behind my legs. So its not like she was in front of me barking. She has barked at Batty once before and AGB said that it was her thinking she needed to "protect" me. But we have been VERY firm with her since then doing the TOT and NILIF and really showing her that we are boss not her!

    AGB said she noticed a big difference in her and her behaviour this weekend which was good to hear as it means we must be doing something right!

    The other thing she did that made me thing fear was that if I walked away she would REALLY hesitate before coming to where I was if she had to go past one of the visitors.

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    Yeah, I get what you are saying. Bear with me, stuffed. Lol.

    I get that Poppy is showing symptoms of fear aggression - that is pretty obvious and goes without saying, but what I am trying to get across is her reaosning for portraying that behaviour. May not be so much fear as in fear uitself, but fear from her need to see herself as the protector of her owners and her property, rather than the other way around.

    Am I making sense?
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    This is the type of child that often gets bitten, one that is frightening to the dog - makes sudden movements, talks rapidly, waves arms around, is up and down etc.

    Poppy did the right thing by staying out of this childs way. He is not a good first child to introduce to Poppy. Put yourself in Poppy's shoe size and you probably get a pretty frightening view from her perspective.

    With the food, it's just a toss in her direction about 30cm away from her, so she doesn't have to go far to get it but is taking a step or two in the direction of the visitors.

    However if she is too far stressed it's not going to work, or it may work with a less threatening visitor.

    Getting Poppy out and about and having people come in to her territory is what she needs bit by bit.

    Poppy may also be better off outside next time visitors come so she can see them at a safe distance, thru a glass door perhaps and then work up from there.

    Or if you can sit outside with the visitors, give her a bone to have (provided there are no children), That way she can chew away on her bone while getting accustomed to the extra noise and new people.

    She may also do much better next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate View Post
    Yeah, I get what you are saying. Bear with me, stuffed. Lol.

    I get that Poppy is showing symptoms of fear aggression - that is pretty obvious and goes without saying, but what I am trying to get across is her reaosning for portraying that behaviour. May not be so much fear as in fear uitself, but fear from her need to see herself as the protector of her owners and her property, rather than the other way around.

    Am I making sense?
    Ah yes! That does make sense! Your saying she was displaying fear agression BECAUSE she thought she had to be the one "protecting" us and the house?

    Have I got it right?

    And to prevent this I need to not let her sleep on me or next to me/under me?

    She's a very cuddly dog and cuddles up either on the couch or at our feet EVERY SINGLE night without fail. Do I really need to stop that? If so how?

    Quote Originally Posted by mouseandchicken View Post
    This is the type of child that often gets bitten, one that is frightening to the dog - makes sudden movements, talks rapidly, waves arms around, is up and down etc.

    Poppy did the right thing by staying out of this childs way. He is not a good first child to introduce to Poppy. Put yourself in Poppy's shoe size and you probably get a pretty frightening view from her perspective.

    With the food, it's just a toss in her direction about 30cm away from her, so she doesn't have to go far to get it but is taking a step or two in the direction of the visitors.

    However if she is too far stressed it's not going to work, or it may work with a less threatening visitor.

    Getting Poppy out and about and having people come in to her territory is what she needs bit by bit.

    Poppy may also be better off outside next time visitors come so she can see them at a safe distance, thru a glass door perhaps and then work up from there.

    Or if you can sit outside with the visitors, give her a bone to have (provided there are no children), That way she can chew away on her bone while getting accustomed to the extra noise and new people.

    She may also do much better next time.
    I totally agreed with the bolded bit MAC and that is one of my greatest fears! Poppy is not vicious or agressive BUT I have read SO many horror stories of dogs snapping in situations like the one I described and it scares me! Thats why I didnt mind her being at my side or follwing me around because I prefered that I knew where she was!

    She has NEVER acted like that before and she has met 2, 4, 5 and 7 year olds not to mention a host of children aged in between. We have taken her to a crowded dog beach (filled with dogs and children) and I have also taken her to school with me one afternoon when there were about 10 children left!

    I don't want to blame the child but I do wonder if it was his behaviour that spooked her.

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    Nah, no problem with her cuddling. Gosh, where would be be if we couldn't cuddle them. Lol.
    But what I do mean a no too Amy is to not allow her to ...hmmm...cling, LEAN ON YOU, cuddle to the degree that in doggy language she is taking control of you, or thinking she is, so to speak.

    No, I wouldn't blame the child either. Poppy needs to be introduced slowly and carefully to ppl from all wlaks of life, all ages etc.
    It's like a bike iMO, get her back onto it and get her meeting children. Set it up with kids you feel okay with introducing her to, do it in ways you feel okay with doing it, but get it happening.
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    Then I'd say she more than likely sensed the difference in this child and wanted to keep a good distance between.

    My male whippet is rather sensitive that way too.

    When one of the prospective puppy owners came out to look at the puppies she brought a friend along that wasn't a dog person, all the dogs where in the kitchen excited over having visitors and were nudging each other out of the way to get attention.

    The woman turned to see how her friend was coping (which was pretty good) until she said to me her friend isn't really a dog person, he heard this and his body language changed ever so slightly and my male Whippet back away from him and barked.

    That's all it took for my boy to leave him and go back to the woman for pats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate View Post
    Nah, no problem with her cuddling. Gosh, where would be be if we couldn't cuddle them. Lol.
    But what I do mean a no too Amy is to not allow her to ...hmmm...cling, LEAN ON YOU, cuddle to the degree that in doggy language she is taking control of you, or thinking she is, so to speak.

    No, I wouldn't blame the child either. Poppy needs to be introduced slowly and carefully to ppl from all wlaks of life, all ages etc.
    It's like a bike iMO, get her back onto it and get her meeting children. Set it up with kids you feel okay with introducing her to, do it in ways you feel okay with doing it, but get it happening.
    Okay! Thanks DA. That makes sense! Will remember it for next time! Perhaps putting her outside and only letting her in when she is calm is the way to go? Otherwise I don't know how I would physically stop her from sticking to my side.

    It really took me by surprise that she reacted to him that way as every other child she hasn't cared too much about. When we took her to the dog beach there were HEAPS of kids touching her and patting her. I remember one little girl pulling her scooter up next to her and trying to read her tag on her collar, so she was pulling on it and touching Poppy and she didn't mind one bit.


    Quote Originally Posted by mouseandchicken View Post
    Then I'd say she more than likely sensed the difference in this child and wanted to keep a good distance between.

    My male whippet is rather sensitive that way too.

    When one of the prospective puppy owners came out to look at the puppies she brought a friend along that wasn't a dog person, all the dogs where in the kitchen excited over having visitors and were nudging each other out of the way to get attention.

    The woman turned to see how her friend was coping (which was pretty good) until she said to me her friend isn't really a dog person, he heard this and his body language changed ever so slightly and my male Whippet back away from him and barked.

    That's all it took for my boy to leave him and go back to the woman for pats.
    I think it was this particular child. She warmed up to the two adults and was fine with them. Just not the 12 year old! When I left for work yesterday morning he was awake. I put Poppy out and fed her and told him NOT to let her back in until OH woke up. He did anyway and Poppy bolted straight in to the bedroom and up onto the bed where OH was! I was SO cranky when OH told me! I was worried that unsupervised she might snap at him!

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    Lock the door Amy and take the key out and give it to OH. The fact that this child disobeyed instructions like that in another persons house says a lot.

    My skids would never take liberties like that in another persons house, and they are by no means angels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mouseandchicken View Post
    Lock the door Amy and take the key out and give it to OH. The fact that this child disobeyed instructions like that in another persons house says a lot.

    My skids would never take liberties like that in another persons house, and they are by no means angels.
    This child has more problems that any child I have ever met before! I have taught some VERY challenging cherubs but OH's nephew just trumps them all!

    As a teacher and someone with greater understanding of ADD/ADHD & his home environment I do feel sorry for him as he is simply a product of his environment! I believe even the ADD/ADHD is a product of his environment!

    Next time (and hopefull it won't be for a VERY long time) I will do that. Or I will simply leave her in her crate in our bedroom with OH!

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    I feel sorry for him then.

    But you are right to keep Poppy and him supervised or separate at all times.

    I think I read in another thread that Poppy slipped up with her toilet training?

    This could be because things are a little unsettled at home at the moment with visitors. We are all such creatures of habit that we actually need to break these patterns a little bit so dogs learn to cope.

    I know I moved the box in the kitchen that the puppies sleep in one night and it upset them, now every couple of nights I move it to another spot, still within the kitchen area, they are used to that now.

    I put the puppies out an close the door behind them while I get ready for bed, turn off lights etc then open the door and let them back in. This is saving me from standing out in the cold waiting for them to go to the toilet. But like the others said every opportunity you get to reinforce the toilet training is a must.
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