Yes, in a perfect world. Hence 'I wish'.
Roly is inside all day. Let out for 20 mins in the morning. Go for an hour walk in the afternoon, come back in, let out for 20 minutes before I go to bed.
Its not that bad. As long as they are mentally stimulated during the day and physically exercised at some point, then thats completely fine.
Males have been known to break down doors to get to an in heat bitch. They would have no problem getting out of a yard.
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I shall not be locking all 6 of my dogs inside during the day should I go out.
There would be no house left to come home to.
I would be furious should someone de-sex one of my dogs without my knowledge and I don't CARE who or what are the reasons.
I always do everything in my power, padlocks now, electric fences etc to keep my dogs in and others out.
But should something go wrong, a tree over the fence or something like that I can assure everyone I would not like to think that I would be punished because of that.
People can treat their dogs badly and they are given more chances than that. It should at least be investigated before a dog/bitch is neutered. You have the right to fight a parking fine.
That animal is my property. Find the animals it impregnates and I'll also be responsible for them too. Hit me with a massive fine.
We all stuff up and make mistakes, things go wrong etc. I think a little investigation into the circumstances is warranted.
We can have a car accident and we can have accidental escapes of dogs.
This has opened my eyes to a lot of things and it will also make me think to check the local council laws etc should I ever move.
and while I'm having a rant I always love how people want to buy a puppy from a breeder who raises their dogs as part of the family, as in not locked up in kennels etc. So because we have entire dogs they have to be kept inside or crated all day. Well not this breeder. I wouldn't bother having dogs if I had to do that to them all day.
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It would be interesting to see the mandatory desexing this council is enforcing tested in Court.
I have had my front gate left open, whether by accident or otherwise who knows. Luckily my dogs are so lazy they didn't notice. But had they got out would that render me or them liable for permanent surgical punishment?
I would take it to Court, hopefully before they were neutered, but if it was afterwards I still would.
They are breeding and showing dogs but they're also family dogs as they should be. They live on my property, which unfortunately can be affected by people and forces outside my control (ditto MACs comment about trees on fences etc).
Shelters putting down too many dogs has been proven to be reversible - see full info on how and why in something like Winograds book "Redemption", or RSPCA ACT's management policies. And it's not done by desexing everything that gets picked up as a stray.
Very very few unwanted dogs put down each day would be the result of an accidental mating between two escaped purebreds, and responsible owners who have an accidental escape shouldn't be punished for the deeds of the irresponsible continual offenders.
Blanket enforcement without investigation can and does lead to legal and personal nightmares. It doesn't work.
I know being involved in euthanasia sucks the big one MYF, but there are more constructive ways to stop it.
Hold on MAC, they don't do it without you knowing. Once the dogs owner is found, thats when they tell you it needs to be done.
Natty, 25% of dogs that enter shelters are purebred, so the % that get pts wouldn't be that low.
I understand where you are coming from, but IMO, I couldn't risk it. Its too risky. I would be stressing all day.
I don't have time to write a novel or reply to everything right now, but sorry guys, you haven't swayed me.
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The whole thing of them doing it with/without your knowledge is irrelevant, they would be doing it either way.
Mouse & chicken hit the nail on the head, there is no way any responsible pet owner can ever guarantee %100 that there animals wont get out, you included Myf. (say someone broke into your house and let them out) you believe you should be punished for that??
To me personally my dog has always been an animal that lives outside, especially when he is nearing 70 kg and drools regularly. His tail wagging would be enough to have walls needing replastering. In saying this i make sure he is both comfortable and secure outside.
I dont think anyone here is trying to sway you, they are merely expressing there own opinion.
Natty, you raise a great point IMO. I personally belive that I (or my lawyer, I should say ) would win in a Court of Law concerning this scenario.
No I'm not trying to sway anyone, but here on planet earth things happen.
Yep I too work in rescue, Monika's and NSW Animal Rescue to name a few. And once the puppies have had that final needle I'll be back. So I know what it's like to see unwanted puppies.
I volunteer my time to those less knowledgeable in the hope that I can stop that puppy or adult dog that has been mucking up from landing in the pound. Those that cannot afford the expensive behaviouralist. I attend lectures and training sessions at my own expense so I can help keep dogs in their home.
But anyway I'm sure that is not going to matter to those that think just neutering anything that comes into their hands is going to solve the problem rather than education. Would that make a difference to that council, probably not.
They've lowered the speed limits on young drivers, they've upped the hours etc they need to be able to obtain a license but still they kill themselves. Putting in knee jerk reactions hasn't helped there.
Until someone has owned entire dogs, several of them, until someone has gone thru the heartache of getting attached to them only to find they are not the one and need to be re-homed, until someone has researched bloodlines, put hours and lots and lots of money into their dogs then they can tell me that it's so cut and dried, that they don't care my dog was out and that's that. Why don't I throw in the towel and put them all into cages and become a puppy farmer with no thought to temperament and type, just so long as they don't get out.
How about that council come out and help me to keep my dogs contained, how about instead of a knee jerk reaction to an entire animal getting out they look at the big picture.
Sorry this is getting to a rant, because I'm sick and tired of people rubbishing breeders, lumping us all in the same boat.
If someone de-sexed my new champion I would be livid, just because he may have been out for a few minutes (which he hasn't) and in that time happen to come across a bitch just at the right time of ovulation and impregnate her. Some should come and see a mating, it's not that simple even when we're trying.
And as for notifying me and letting me know it's going to be done - well how nice of them. I shall now go re-home that dog and start again. Oops think I just added another dog to the world, and entire at that!
Sorry, need to stop, I'm getting cranky, it's just that I so love the ignorant, head in the sand, one rule for everyone apply standards.
And for the record this is not directed at Myf, or in defense of the person with the "thoroughbred" this is directed at a council that IMO has it's head in the sand.
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