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    Howdy all

    Ok so I was just going through a few things with mum tonight about things Im struggling with when training miss Bailey.

    Im just going to blurt them all out and if anyone has advice please feel free to chuck it in lol.

    Ok so problems are..................

    1) Bailey is EXTREMELY protective of me in the car. I have allowed this however I have always been the one who chooses who can and cannot come into my car. However in the past few days (it is getting worse quite quickly) SHE has been deciding who can and cannot get in my car. Normally I just say "enough" and that suffices in quieting her down, but this has not been working. She is growling and barking her head off at just about anyone. I am almost positive that they could get in my car if they wanted to however SURPRISINGLY people DONT want to get in a car with a growling, barking APBT in it lol.

    What I would like is for her to be protective of me and the car but I want to have control of this like I originally did. I have tried treating and praise when doing the right thing i.e. becoming silent once told "enough" however it seems to be inconsistent.

    2) Bailey is not at all dog aggressive but is the COMPLETE OPPOSITE lol. Which comes with its problems too......I cannot get her to focus on me at all when there are other dogs around. I have tried to teach her the "look at me" command, which works great except when other dogs are around. I have tried to teach this command using treats and also THE ALMIGHTY TENNIS BALL lol. If the tennis ball cant get her attention then nothing can. Im not sure where to go with this now.

    3) she plays ROUGH. and I mean really rough. She mouths during play (others dogs) growls, lunges and 'body slams'. I dont know how to get her to calm down. Sam is heaven sent however not all dogs take to her play lightly and generally mistake it for agression - which can cause issues obviously.
    She even growls whilst doing zoomies..... not that this bothers me lol

    Ok so I am taking Bails to her new obedience training club tomorrow morning (il update you all lol) fingers crossed it turns out better than the last club

    Am doing obedience training to benefit us both and honestly think with the VITEB supplement she is calm enough to be able to focus on me when in public (just working on focus with other dogs present, as explained above) She is no longer a large ball of nerves and I can now take her out in public without her being petrified. Men and women alike are also able to approach her now, she does still cower occasionally but this is nothing compared to how it was when we first started


    Ultimately we will be focusing on fly ball (she is ball obsessed and this can be used a a form of stress relief) and agility (she is extremely fast and agile and also for stress relief) once we have mastered obedience


    Please feel free to add your thoughts/advice/comments and also let me know if you think I am doing anything wrong!

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    My dog always wants to play with every dog it sees. I had to do alot of focus work just in the yard before I introduced distractions. I have really worked on this with treats. I put them in my mouth to get her to look at me and watch. We are finally having success!!! I also changed to a 30cm lead to get control and that has helped so much. It is always 2 steps forward 1 step back. We changed dog obedience schools too earlier this year and she was very unsettled for about 2 weeks until she adjusted to the new routine.
    You are doing a great job!!

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    Thanx lscot136. I have recently changed from a martingale collar to a sporn harness (http://www.mypamperedpets.co.nz/mediac/400_0/media/sporn$20harness.jpg ) which has drastically changed the amount of control I have on her

    I have done plenty of focus work in the yard however Bailey is not very treat driven. She prefers praise or her tennis ball. I am unsure how I can incorporate this into focus training.

    Thanks

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    Bailey car problems

    No idea. We used to have a blue heeler who we, um, encouraged/praised when he barked at any person outside the car. This was so bad that one time I got pulled over for speeding (long story, doesn't happen often), anyway I had to tie him to the back seat and get out of the car to talk to the policeman who was nearly as frazzled as I was by that time. He asked me what colour my car was. Though that could have been the dirt.

    So we'd been encouraging the behaviour and it was then very hard to stop.

    Then again, he saved my friend's wallet from a thief and probably the car too. I bet they got a big surprise when they got the car door open. He sleeps on the pedals, so would not have been easy to see.

    Victoria Stillwell does something where she puts the dogs in a kind of blackout space in the car to stop them from barking at things outside the car. Does Bailey travel in a crate in the car? Maybe if she barks, cover the crate up so she can't see. Open it up bit by bit if she stays quiet. I think she will still be protective when you need her to be, because she will know when you're happy and when you're upset or angry. Also the crate cover is when she is not quiet when you ask her to be. So if she does learn to be quiet when you ask, then all you need to do is not ask if you feel you need a scary barking dog.

    "Bailey plays rough"
    Some people teach their dog "gentle". If Frosty plays too rough with a little dog, or a big dog (that is too rough back) I tell her to leave it and call her away. If she doesn't come away, I catch her and put the lead back on. She doesn't like having the lead on so it works as a negative consequence for playing rough. She also gets a treat if she does come or leave it.

    I was lucky with her. From tiny, she's always played to match the other dog. There is a malamute puppy that lives with a amstaff x and walks the both of them at our local park. And the amstaffx only cares about his toy, and only growls at dogs that he thinks want his toy. He gets along reasonably well with Frosty cos she rolls over. But he plays too rough, and freaks her out, and he's taught the malamute to play too rough also.

    Frosty tried to go home without me the other day because the malamute puppy which is much bigger than her, chased her. She could easily have out run it but she freaked out instead. Fortunately I was able to get her to come back to me. And the owner caught the malamute and put it on lead. I think if he came more often than once a week or less, when the malamute was small, it might have learned better manners. It's going to be near impossible for him now, given that the most forgiving dog on the park, Frosty, is freaked out by his dogs.

    Obedience
    I hope the new club goes well for you. I know our club includes, at a safe distance, dog aggressive dogs. People are not supposed to allow their dog to greet another without getting permission from that owner first. And a few of the instructor's dogs are dog aggressive. But they manage to compete with them just fine.

    Para districts, Jenkins Reserve, Saint's road, Salisbury, is having a mock agility trial tomorrow. Starts 12 noon for class rego. I was thinking of going and having a look. Not sure about entering anything since Frosty is still very keen to nick off out of the jump zone to sniff the possum poo. Will have to see what the time limits are like. Maybe put up $3 each for a couple of runs and see.

    Who knows, maybe Frosty will be perfect and I will tell her the wrong course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    Bailey car problems

    No idea. We used to have a blue heeler who we, um, encouraged/praised when he barked at any person outside the car. This was so bad that one time I got pulled over for speeding (long story, doesn't happen often), anyway I had to tie him to the back seat and get out of the car to talk to the policeman who was nearly as frazzled as I was by that time. He asked me what colour my car was. Though that could have been the dirt.

    So we'd been encouraging the behaviour and it was then very hard to stop.

    Then again, he saved my friend's wallet from a thief and probably the car too. I bet they got a big surprise when they got the car door open. He sleeps on the pedals, so would not have been easy to see.

    Victoria Stillwell does something where she puts the dogs in a kind of blackout space in the car to stop them from barking at things outside the car. Does Bailey travel in a crate in the car? Maybe if she barks, cover the crate up so she can't see. Open it up bit by bit if she stays quiet. I think she will still be protective when you need her to be, because she will know when you're happy and when you're upset or angry. Also the crate cover is when she is not quiet when you ask her to be. So if she does learn to be quiet when you ask, then all you need to do is not ask if you feel you need a scary barking dog.

    "Bailey plays rough"
    Some people teach their dog "gentle". If Frosty plays too rough with a little dog, or a big dog (that is too rough back) I tell her to leave it and call her away. If she doesn't come away, I catch her and put the lead back on. She doesn't like having the lead on so it works as a negative consequence for playing rough. She also gets a treat if she does come or leave it.

    I was lucky with her. From tiny, she's always played to match the other dog. There is a malamute puppy that lives with a amstaff x and walks the both of them at our local park. And the amstaffx only cares about his toy, and only growls at dogs that he thinks want his toy. He gets along reasonably well with Frosty cos she rolls over. But he plays too rough, and freaks her out, and he's taught the malamute to play too rough also.

    Frosty tried to go home without me the other day because the malamute puppy which is much bigger than her, chased her. She could easily have out run it but she freaked out instead. Fortunately I was able to get her to come back to me. And the owner caught the malamute and put it on lead. I think if he came more often than once a week or less, when the malamute was small, it might have learned better manners. It's going to be near impossible for him now, given that the most forgiving dog on the park, Frosty, is freaked out by his dogs.

    Obedience
    I hope the new club goes well for you. I know our club includes, at a safe distance, dog aggressive dogs. People are not supposed to allow their dog to greet another without getting permission from that owner first. And a few of the instructor's dogs are dog aggressive. But they manage to compete with them just fine.

    Para districts, Jenkins Reserve, Saint's road, Salisbury, is having a mock agility trial tomorrow. Starts 12 noon for class rego. I was thinking of going and having a look. Not sure about entering anything since Frosty is still very keen to nick off out of the jump zone to sniff the possum poo. Will have to see what the time limits are like. Maybe put up $3 each for a couple of runs and see.

    Who knows, maybe Frosty will be perfect and I will tell her the wrong course.
    This is where we are going Hyac lol. Para Districts dog obedience. I left our last club because a women there took a disliking to Bailey due to her breed and continued to tell people she was an APBT. It got to the point where people wouldnt have anything to do with her. I want training to also be about socialising with other dogs and people too. Bailey isnt dog aggressive so continuation of socialisation is a must

    They have a "newbie intro session" on at 10.20am (i hope it is still on now) and then the learners class at 11.15am? I have heard all good things about PD I might see you there?! I would love to meet Frosty! My mum will be with me though

    No Bailey doesnt travel in a crate in the car. I dont own a crate yet although am looking into getting a soft crate

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    I'm pretty sure Frosty would eat a soft crate. She ate everything I used to cover the metal one, and she ate anything I lined it with. I sometimes think she was rat in a past life.

    Will have to keep an eye out. It seems that the classes should not overlap. I hope there is shade.

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    Well I went to the intro class learnt all about everything! lol Well I got extremely frustrated with Bails........sigh.................something I need to work on....patience!

    She pulled and pulled and pulled me around the place! During the intro class while everyones pups and dogs were quietly laying at their feet.......my girl was pulling, commando crawling, crying and howling at another dog who had a tug rope lol......SO EMBARRASSED!!!

    Decided that Sam is going to do obedience too even if he is 5yo lol.It is only $10 difference for a double/family membership. He will LOVE IT!

    So once we finished there we tromped over to the doggy park where Bailey had a great time! She mad two friends ........... a brindle purebred stafford pup named Titan and a 7mth old white APBT named Hercules (with a pink nose ...awwww) ..................I was in love with them both!!

    Had to leave because some twit showed up with a SWF who was dog aggressive and the lovely woman with the Stafford pup warned me to leave because if the dog attacks another dog the owner kicks and quirts the other dog with a water bottle.............well I didnt want to have to kick him in the face lol so I left.
    Did arrange to meet them again next week, same time, same place so will make sure I grab some pics

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    Firstly, I would tackle the aggression in the car the same way you would for anything else. I think an APBT sitting in a car should be enough to deter anyone without added barking. And at the age she is now it will only increase as she matures.

    So people need to throw her treats etc as they get in the car. Or if she is ball orientated they need to give her a ball as they get into the car. Or you can say enough and give her a ball. I think you get the drift. Your choice.

    As for the focus when there is distractions, perfectly normal, it's what everyone struggles with. Just keep taking her out more and more so that it's an every day thing, the surrounding are an everyday thing.

    Keep building the timeframe between looking at you and receiving a treat, no more two seconds, I'm talking 15 seconds etc etc.

    I love a dog that is toy motivated, even more so than a food motivated dog.

    She's young and enthusiastic so just keep exposing her to different things. Have very short training sessions and slowly build up.

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    I reckon, get Baily her own tug toy and use that as reward in class instead of treats.

    I didn't see you guys at Para, I got there about 12:20pm. Found some others from my club. Got talked into entering Frosty for novice (beginners) agility, jumping and the tunnels.

    Because it was practice or mock trials we were allowed to use lures and treats and toys on the course. So I pull out Frosty's favourite beef chip and use that as a lure all the way around the agility course. And let her have it at the end. I made a few mistakes, bumped a few things that I shouldn't. Frosty was pretty much fine apart from taking a flying leap off the end of the plank instead of touching the yellow bit. My fault for not slowing her down. But she didn't nick off. And I got her straight back on lead at the end. Woo hoo.

    Tunnels of doom not so good. Unfortunately I'd only brought one beef chip and it was gone. There were 15 times she had to go through a tunnel and after about 7 she was losing it, and after the 10th she spotted a couple with a pram, way over there, and had to go check it out. And I had to go after her. Sigh. Better if I run away, but that doesn't always work and sometimes it's slow - like she has to check where I am and notice I'm not there to come back. So I gave that up as a bad deal.

    Then we did novice jumping. And I had "borrowed" a smacko from my agility instructor. So the first jump was a tyre, and all Frosty wanted was the smacko but once she worked out she wasn't going to get it until she did the course, we flew round. The judge, who had lots of helpful comments for anyone who stuffed up, all she said about our round was - could we do it without food. I'm thinking, no bloody way, but it's where we want to get to. Won't be entering a real trial until we can do the course without treats until after we exit the ring.

    Not sure how to get there, but working on finding out.

    Learned a few things. Once the handler has gone past the first obstacle, not supposed to go back to fix the dog up if they miss or move. Dog is to wear a plain collar with a loop for the lead to clip onto but no rego disks or id disks or anything decorative like bows and ribbons. And no slip collars. And handler not allowed to touch the dog or the obstacles. I think I really should go read the competition rules some time.

    And we did something called "rally" which is an arena set up with a whole lot of sign posts and instructions. I saw it once on Smee or the Dog. So we did that too, under supervision of one of the host club. Frosty found it rather easy, even when I up ended the treat bag in front of her. If you've got almost competition level obedience, then rally is pretty easy. If the dog is willing. Of course one obedience-titled dog thought it was beneath her and refused to have anything to do with it. Anyway club instructor/supervisor thought me and Frosty would be ready for CCD competition - again if we could do all that without the treats. Sigh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeTheDeedNotTheBreed View Post

    Had to leave because some twit showed up with a SWF who was dog aggressive
    Sorry newb question...that's the second time I've seen SWF pop up in a thread lately...what does it mean? my best guess is "small white and fluffy"

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