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    I attended a lecture some years ago on genetics. The lecturer was a vet. Somehow during lunch there was a heated argument regarding tail docking and the nervous system of new born puppies.

    When the lecturer rejoined us in the hall she decided that she would outline a few things very quickly so she could get everyone back on subject.

    A new born puppies nervous system is not fully developed for the first 3-4 days, it is however developing. Unlike human babies, unlike lambs which are. They find their mothers thru heat. The twitching new born puppies do assists in the development of their system and is necessary for their development. A puppy should twitch at least once every two minutes.

    To shut the subject down she said that while she did not perform tail docking she would in short tell us that the pain felt by a newborn puppy is not at the same level as a lamb. And yes I know why they dock lambs tails.

    Now before I get blasted let me just say, don't shoot the messenger. I do not own a docked breed. I am not even having the dew claws removed from my whippet puppies even though the majority are removed at 2-3 days old. Why you might ask? Well the sire of my litter has his dew claws and the remainder of my dogs don't. Of all the nails I have to cut, these are the only ones that for some reason I never have to???

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    well said MAC...

    In my NDTF course we were told a puppies nervous system develops once outside the mum. Hence why the play and bite alot, we were told it helps build a pups pain receptors
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    Thanks MAC.
    Love your dog the BEST you can TODAY because they could be GONE TOMORROW

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    I want to say something here.

    I know that tail docking is illegal...people say it is painful and cruel.

    The thing is...it is legal to snip dew claws off puppies at 2-3 days old, but illegal to snip a tail. If it is PURELY from the cruelty/pain point of view...then this is hypocritical!

    Snip a toe...snip a tail...what is the difference?!?

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    Cleas, I'm not sure what the difference is. I'm not even sure how I feel about tail docking as I don't breed dogs that require it. If my boy did not have his dew claws I probably would of had the puppies removed. But quite simply I have found that I never cut those nails and they do not stick out.

    On the other hand, would I like my setter to have hers - no. Trimming the hair around the dew claw would of been very difficult.

    Do I personally like the "look" of some breeds that previously had tails docked and now do not, well some I do and some I don't. Rotti's, corgi, skips and a few others I think look really handsome with a tail.

    Do I like the look of boxers, GSP, Dobes with tails no in all honesty I do not - so that makes them a breed that does not appeal to me. Many don't for all different reasons.

    When I worked in boarding we would cringe when an overly excited GSP would come into the kennels with it's tail. Because we knew we would have to watch that tail against the brick walls. Because they would get so excited to see us they would wag their tails until they bled.

    Could I, personally make an appointment with the vet to come and remove the tails of my 2 day old puppies - no. I know I couldn't do it.

    All I know is that there are things going on out there a lot worse that tail docking that animal welfare needs to be concentrating on. When they have fixed everything else up then I shall weigh into the debate and give it some serious thought.

    These are just my thoughts.
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    If you want to see a dog enjoying all the fluffing up and teasing etc then come to my place, walk in the direction of the grooming table and see if you can stop 30kg of dog launching herself onto the table and standing there waiting to be petted and groomed and made beautiful. My setter loves it.

    Also I see competing in the confirmation ring as keeping me honest. Do I really have a specimen worth breeding, can I contribute to this breed. Will I be selling healthy puppies and giving people what they expect. What they researched, temp, size, coat. If breeders didn't strive to conform to standards then what would we have.

    People looking for pets benefit from all the hard work that people who show and breed put into their breeding stock. Most of us honestly try our very best to produce the very best healthy stock we can.

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    I apologise everyone that I got on my high-horse regarding negative comments regarding the show ring. I now realise that they are old posts.

    It just really P^%&^s me off that people knock the show ring and those in it and yet are quite happy to reap the benefits of those people who put a lot of time, money, effort and heartache into their chosen breed or breeds.

    And to say that those dogs don't enjoy the attention. Crap - most, love it. They are bought up used to it. When I groom my setter who is no longer shown she gets so excited. Because she knows the next day she's going to a dog show, even though for her these days it's just hanging out on the side lines.

    She has no objections to being in her crate, why because the visual stimuli is as rewarding to her as exercise. She gets to go see her breeder during the lunch break and gets fussed over etc etc.

    Sorry rambling again. I shall now go back to the puppies room and chill out.

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