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    Thanks Choppachop
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    Hi all,

    I agree naturaly bred bobtails are few and far between, so buyer beware. As Federa has stated the price rises significantly for a "natural bobtail" as they are in demand. Breeders may "claim" a natural bobtail litter and this is simply not the case for an entire litter in particular.

    I am not well versed on tail docking...just basic knowledge and experience, though the "tail injury" line has never sat well with me.

    For me owning a dog and having them as a great part of your life and your family
    is what matters, not what their tail looks like.

    I am so over the showring! and further to that sick and tired of people insisting on the so called "perfect" example of a breed.

    Truly imagine if we for one moment took a good look at the human race! I have no doubt the majority would fail, that's not to say they arent valuable, worthwhile and important human beings.

    In regards to due claws i dont get the comparison

    All rear dew claws are removed at the same time other vet work is done for most rescues. Under anesthetic, with all other vet work.

    Front dew claws are usually not removed unless they pose a problem.

    B

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    I would certainly agree that anyone should be wary of "natural bobtails".
    My worry about these is whether the few naturally occurring ones in some breeds will be used very extensively, hence narrowing gene pools unnecessarily.
    In Boxers it has become almost an obsession with some breeders - even importing dogs beause of the bobtails gene.
    In reality, most breeds have tails. They all look good, whether pure or cross bred. A healthy dog in body and mind is far more important.
    The look of some purebred dogs has changed dramatically during modern times. A Dobermann now doesn't bear much resemblance to the originals.. (as one example). So I'm sure people can get used to another variance in appearance - natural tails...

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    I'm kinda in the same boat as Billy.

    Triple D you made some good points but from the small amount I have seen of the show ring and those that attend I cant help but feel its all a bit poxy. I mean I'm sure it's rewarding as a hobby but I cant really see the animals being into all the teasing, fluffing and what have you. It just doesn't seem natural, and I guess chopping off a dogs tail doesn't either.

    I mean, cmon, aside from your doggies eyes it's got to be one of the most expressive parts of a dogs body, why the hell someone would want to chop it off is beyond me.

    Adam.

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    i have to agree with you Adam about the dogs not being into all the teasing and fluffing.

    I just think on the issue of tail docking it should be up to the breeder - NOT the RSPCA to decide. JMO
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    That's fair enough mate, you made a very good point about it not actually hurting the animal, given that their nervous system is not fully developed (I googled that one, and silently ate humble pie ). So if the RSPCA is taking the cruelty angle then it is misinformed\misguided to say the least.

    Adam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrSquish View Post
    That's fair enough mate, you made a very good point about it not actually hurting the animal, given that their nervous system is not fully developed (I googled that one, and silently ate humble pie ). So if the RSPCA is taking the cruelty angle then it is misinformed\misguided to say the least.

    Adam.
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    It is sad that the RSPCA is taking that line. But apparently they know better than breeders who have a lot of years experience doing said tail docking.
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    I agree with banning tail docking from an animal welfare point of view.

    I understand that experienced breeders feel differently, and probably have good reasons for this. I am more concerned with all the BYB'ing twits out there who were lopping off tails left right and centre with no experience, care or concern for the animal what so ever.

    The RSPCA do not enforce ban's willy nilly....there are facts and cruelty cases that led to the support of banning tail of docking.

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    I agree with what you are saying Billy, but they are punishing those who did the right thing as well, and that i dont agree with
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    If breeders did the right thing, particularly in NSW we wouldn't be in this situation of the law being forced on us.

    I bought a dog in 2009 off a registered breeder, and they told me that my dog would come with it's tail docked. I said that I'd pay extra to not get their tail docked, but they said to go else where if I want a dog with a tail.

    Anyway, this breeder is in Sydney, and I particularly wanted this dog. I was very upset when I got my dog without her tail. She doesn't show as much expression without a tail.

    The breeder said that if anyone asked about the tail to say that it was done by the breeder in WA and that the breeder would give me a certificate stating this. I looked into the laws, and apparently in every state except WA the dog needs to have a current medical condition to get it done, whereas in WA, if the dog is less than 5 days old it can be done for a future medical condition. Months later I asked for a copy of the certificate, and the breeder said that she would keep it in her records. I'm very suss!

    Personally I think it was done illegally in NSW. This breeder was of such a strong opinion, she would not take additional money to not dock the tail. This is wrong! It was for purely cosmetic reasons.

    Not only do I hate my beautiful dog not having a tail, but I get very embarrassed when people come up to me and question that they thought tail docking was illegal, and my dog is obviously a puppy.

    Dogs NSW are trying to change the showing laws to not allow dogs with docked tails to show. I'm really hoping that the laws in NSW stop breeders showing dogs with docked tails, as I'm sure this will stop breeders docking tails for purely cosmetic reasons in their tracks.

    Yes I understand if a tail needs to be docked for medical reasons, but come on.....who are we kidding. The rotty clubs now state that they don't condone tail docking, whereas the dobermann clubs still have in their list of perfect appearance for show dogs as having a docked tail.
    Last edited by ernistino; 01-29-2010 at 05:01 PM.

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