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    E & M

    I am astounded at your lack of respect for other peoples opinions!

    You will certainly not ever educate people with such an aggresive, over bearing manner.

    Your opinions are your own, allow people to make up their own minds.

    Don't personally insult them.

    I am personally far from impressed with your inexperienced and misinformed views.

    Erinah is absolutely right. Healthy discussion is positive regardless if there are differing views. Why are you not able to achieve that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy View Post
    Why are you not able to achieve that?
    'cos he's not able to be the leader of the pack hahaha
    joke, sorry

    I am astonished with people who read one book, find it interesting and do not allow any other opinion, because everything and anything has to be strictly by the book (that book). Think outside a square would be my advice
    Last edited by Fedra; 02-05-2009 at 06:12 PM.

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    Hi there, my opinion is that those kind of "leader of the pack" concepts are interesting and important to keep in mind, but I really think it depends on whether behaviours are causing problems..... i have read so many books, seen dvd's and find it so interesting, and yes, i have adopted some concepts to help (and they have ) with some behaviours..... but you know if it ain't a problem, it aint a problem.....

    our 18 month old sometimes walks in between us (aawww), sometimes behind, and sometimes pulls a little in front, but has improved hugely since he first came to us from rspca as a 9 month old stray.... and with his jumping up, he knows he shouldn't and i can see the cogs in his mind working when he jumps up and goes, whoops i forgot i shouldn't jump lol......

    so he's not perfect, so if that means we're not leaders of the pack (cause really, how can you REALLY tell????) that's just fine....by the way, he is the most happiest sweetest well behaved dog i know
    So before i get off my soap box, i agree those ideas are fascinating and the core concepts helpful, but sometimes if you're too obsessive, you really miss the point of life

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renvind View Post
    Hi there, my opinion is that those kind of "leader of the pack" concepts are interesting and important to keep in mind, but I really think it depends on whether behaviours are causing problems..... i have read so many books, seen dvd's and find it so interesting, and yes, i have adopted some concepts to help (and they have ) with some behaviours..... but you know if it ain't a problem, it aint a problem.....

    our 18 month old sometimes walks in between us (aawww), sometimes behind, and sometimes pulls a little in front, but has improved hugely since he first came to us from rspca as a 9 month old stray.... and with his jumping up, he knows he shouldn't and i can see the cogs in his mind working when he jumps up and goes, whoops i forgot i shouldn't jump lol......

    so he's not perfect, so if that means we're not leaders of the pack (cause really, how can you REALLY tell????) that's just fine....by the way, he is the most happiest sweetest well behaved dog i know
    So before i get off my soap box, i agree those ideas are fascinating and the core concepts helpful, but sometimes if you're too obsessive, you really miss the point of life
    Love it...

    Take some time to smell the roses along the way!

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    I have a little story to ad, that just came into my mind regarding "members of a pack do not jump on their leader/alpha"

    my rottie girl is a true alpha (of course, for other dogs, not for me ). I just love watching her with other dogs, how confident, strong, sharp, yet gentle and tolerant she is. She just stands and watches over others playing, and if their play becomes a bit too rough she jumps in growls and separates "the kids". We call her judge haha or bouncer. Sometimes youngsters come over and pull her, bite her, jump on her, she just tolerates them, when they and if they become too boring then she shakes them off (gently growles and turns them on their back). My other dog can do whatever he wants with her, he jumps allover her, he litterally tortured her when he was young puppy. She was patient to bits. But little one knows she's "the mother" and there's no joke with big mumma when it comes to important stuff like chewing a bone, or when she decides that toys are hers. i love watching them, and I've learned heaps just from watching them. With grown up dogs, she's just fine, she never engages in any fights, although she would defend herself or my other dog or me if necessary. She's just very calm, stable and confident considering she's off the street dog.

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    Oh dear...no response from e&m as yet

    Perhaps that nap helped...

    No doubt the insults will be flying thick and fast shortly.

    Giddy Up

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    Last edited by Billy; 02-05-2009 at 08:51 PM.

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    *chuckles*

    Well it was certainly...erm....interesting ? while it lasted .

    Fedra your girl sounds an absolute gem and I so wanted to say that joke
    Loving your thoughts Renvind
    And B just made me splurt coffee



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    Whilst I did agree with the OP...I have to disagree that ALL dogs can be trained by ONE single book and one set of rules....it is sooo NOT the case at all. Each and every dog is different therefore each and every dog requires a different technique. It is good to have a book for guidence, but to stick to it black and white just doesn't work!

    As I have posted before...my first dog didn't need ANY training...a lot might think this is BULL, but I am being honest, she was on this earth before and knew what to do...All I did was be her master (which is just in my personality when it comes to most animals and ppl!!) Had I be cold towards her and treat her like a dog...rather than my loyal, loving PET, she would have been a different dog..she would have suffered as all she wanted was love and affection and in return, she was just perfect and yes, I could absolutly trust her with anyone and any other dog. She always done as commanded..if she was told to sit or drop outside the shop, that is where she would stay and not move reguardless of any distraction ect..... (sorry to go on..but that dog made me sooo proud!)

    However, the Bull Arab I have now is another story! She chews things, eats stones, jumps, play bites, gets up to mischeif, digs, chases the cats, and basically tries to do whatever she wants.......but I will NEVER train her by ONE book. I am open minded and determind to train her in a way SHE will respond. This may take much more work than my previous girl...but I am happy to go with the flow and toy with different ideas ect and see what happens. All in all..I AM her master and she is my PET.

    OP, after reading your post responces...I have to admit, it looks like you are trying to be a pack leader to us HUMANS
    I find this quite rude and offensive considering we all own GREAT dogs and have clearly all done a great job with training them. I certainly NEVER went by a book (I have never read a book about any dog training actually) yet I had a dog who took out 1st place at EVERY obedience and agility trail we competed in for over 5 yrs!!! (Might I also add, she was a RSPCA pup too).

    I used to have a PB kelpie...bought from a breeder and I ended up selling him as he was just NOT interested in me being his master...my other dog was his master, so the end result was..I had to sell him as I just couldn't get through to him.

    I truely hope you see what I am trying to say....it's a lot like children..IMO you don't get ONE book to raise a child!! I have 4 kids and each and everyone of them is DIFFERENT

    (sorry for the long winded post)

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    Fedra, your beautiful girl sounds like my old wondeful girl...just a true motherly instinct, soo loyal, loving and trustworthy.
    Brilliant dog!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChoppaChop View Post
    *chuckles*

    Well it was certainly...erm....interesting ? while it lasted .

    Fedra your girl sounds an absolute gem and I so wanted to say that joke
    Loving your thoughts Renvind
    And B just made me splurt coffee



    *wanders back off to shove dogs off couch so I can sit down*


    Hahaha! LOL....I am glad i am not the only one who spurts coffee or has to find a free spot on the couch

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