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    Would be all be in a better place with all of our dogs if all dogs that showed aggression towards dogs or people were desexed regardless of how good looking they were?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occy View Post
    Would be all be in a better place with all of our dogs if all dogs that showed aggression towards dogs or people were desexed regardless of how good looking they were?
    In an ideal world that might be good, but it is not really practical.
    I have a bitch that is agressive, but it is not her fault. I think she almost got stolen and learnt that if she bites she will be left alone. She ONLY tries to bite when people come onto the property, and calls off when I call her. She is great with anyone she knows and anyone I tell her is ok, AND her puppies are some of the best personalitied guys we have bred.
    So I supose I am saying, if it is learnt aggression it doesnt get passed on anyway. Doesnt really help I know

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    As a blanket theory yes, but the cause of that aggression needs to be fully understood.

    Example: I know a dog who is terribly, mind numbingly fearful. Not aggression no, but could and can lead to an aggressive reaction easily if he wasn't managed very carefully. It is based on extreme mistreatment in his first year of life and not his breeding or bloodines. His offspring have the most amazing happy go lucky temperaments, as well as his stunning looks.

    Each case would be individual. Environment is so often behind aggression issues. Even ill health or infections in the dog or from the mother during pregnancy can cause aggression issues. They then aren't related to the genetic capacity of the dog.

    Humans have a great capacity for bringing out the worst in any dog, whether through nastiness or through lack of control and other psychological issues. If you could remove that factor it would all become more black and white.

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    I am talking about genetic aggression - sorry I wasnt clear

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    I think what we were saying is that sometimes it's obvious that it's environmental, but sometimes it's not.

    How would you confirm it was truly inheritable behaviour?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nattylou View Post
    As a blanket theory yes, but the cause of that aggression needs to be fully understood.
    I agree. True dominance aggression should not be bred with. BUT true dominance aggression is so rare that they really shouldn't be an issue not to use those dogs.
    I will not breed with anything that is inheritantly (sp?) fearful to the point of aggression, BUT if it is learned and managed carefully I do not see an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nattylou View Post
    How would you confirm it was truly inheritable behaviour?
    The only way i know is when I have a full history. I know CC is like that because of external factors. I had another bitch who we called Puddles who got the same socialisation and we know there was nothing envirnmental about her fear who WAS Physically fearfull, something was wrong with her brain.
    Its a fine line and without a ful history is is a hard thing to judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nattylou View Post
    I think what we were saying is that sometimes it's obvious that it's environmental, but sometimes it's not.

    How would you confirm it was truly inheritable behaviour?
    A dog is fine as a pup - good life - then suddenly starts showing elements of aggression as it develops into an adult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashaari View Post
    The only way i know is when I have a full history. I know CC is like that because of external factors. I had another bitch who we called Puddles who got the same socialisation and we know there was nothing envirnmental about her fear who WAS Physically fearfull, something was wrong with her brain.
    Its a fine line and without a ful history is is a hard thing to judge.
    Why would you EVER breed a dog without having a full history?

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    Its not about eliminating those dogs but rather eliminating them from the gene pool

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