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    Okay, firstly I ask that this thread stay a respectful debate from both sides where members can give me their honest opinions. I WANT to see the pro's and con's from BOTH sides. Thanks in advance.

    It seems to me there is no middle ground when it comes to breeders/breeding.
    You have at one end of the scale those breeders who are registered with the necessary affiliations, whether they are reputable or not. I assume ALL registered breeders show their dogs on the circuit?
    At the other end of the scale you have the BYBs who rarely test their dogs for genetic problems, rarely get passes and scores for tests done health-wise, and rarely have a bloody clue what they are doing!

    Where is the middle ground? Why can responsible people not become registered and reputable breeders who breed from decent and healthy stock? Why MUST it be assumed that all breedesr should be in the show ring getting titles for their dogs?

    Welcoming all comments on this subject. It is one that has been grating at me for probably 15 years!!! Lol.

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    Actually...there are some SBT breeders who do not show regularly, but will still test their dogs/bitches for L2-HGA and HC...so I guess there is a middle ground.

    I guess showing your dogs "proves" they are off a good stock...especially if they are winning, which means they are within the standard.

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    TBH I think it comes down to your own perception. IMO in the long run the show circuit means nothing as long as the breeder is breeding to the breed standard, the dogs (parents) are healthy and happy, the relevant testing is done then the breeder is doing the right thing. Obviously registered too so that papers are obtainable. Also that they don't charge an extra $100 - $300 for the papers...

    I won't ever go to a breeder that has a Holier than Thou attitude. IMO If you are scorning others for the way they do things then there is something lacking in the way you are doing things.

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    If you don't show IMO you run the possibility of what is known as Kennel Blindness.

    In other words you cannot see the faults in your own dogs.

    I think you owe it to your breed and yourself and your pet buyers to at least attend your breed speciality shows.

    Competition is what keeps you striving.

    And I also keep coming back to the same old same old. If you breed from Pet Quality, and you WILL have many of these in each litter then you are not being honest to your breed, there is nothing wrong with the temperament so it's sold as a pet.

    If you buy a pet in my opinion it should be de-sexed so when a "show" person looks at your "pet" and says "gee, they are of nice type, you should breed, you can't". Becoming a breeder of dogs isn't just because you have a nice dog/bitch or both it should be a decision you consciously went into and researched. It's a commitment.

    I could go on and on. But really each to their own I guess.

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    Papers cost more because they cost the breeder more for starters.

    Full register dogs cost more because IMO if you are not prepared to pay more then you aren't serious about it. You are not serious about taking my hard work and improving on it.

    Breeding is hard, expensive, heart breaking etc etc. I will charge you for what I have put into it and more. I think a dogs life is worth paying for and so is it's pedigree.

    As to just doing health testing etc. Let me tell you about the miniature whippets. Yes there is no such thing, but a person has bred too small to too small to achieve this. Yes the dogs are healthy and happy but they aren't to the standard. This person is changing the breed. They would be nil awarded in the show ring and they are aware of it.

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    Ok
    1) I have not been in a show for a bit. I have not had the time or money to do it, was working weekends for a while there. BUT saying that my babies are in the ring.
    2)I know plenty of so called reg breeders who are as imorral as they come, and some non-reg breeders who do better by their dogs than most. I find that classifying everyone who isnt reg and bad and everyone who is as good is wrong. Saying that, I am reg and I value the information buying from papered stock gives me.
    3) dispite all that. Some people, reg or not, discust me! Like the people who breed mini-breeds like MAC said. Some do it cause the lose touch with their standard but most do it cause they think it is cute and it makes me sick!
    4) The whole point of showing is to prove your stock is up to standard. Saying this, and it has not happened to my breeds thank god, some breeds go through "fashions". Some braky breeds go from short faces to long faces as the most popular kennel dictates. That pisses me off when showing. Name is BIG. If you have the right names some judges will give you the points reguardless of how good your dog is. You see, in theory, showing is to promote the best example of the breed, but as with most kind of showing, it is very political. Some breeders just give up trying to put up with it.

    My two cents worth

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    Quote Originally Posted by mouseandchicken View Post
    Papers cost more because they cost the breeder more for starters.

    Full register dogs cost more because IMO if you are not prepared to pay more then you aren't serious about it. You are not serious about taking my hard work and improving on it.

    Breeding is hard, expensive, heart breaking etc etc. I will charge you for what I have put into it and more. I think a dogs life is worth paying for and so is it's pedigree.

    As to just doing health testing etc. Let me tell you about the miniature whippets. Yes there is no such thing, but a person has bred too small to too small to achieve this. Yes the dogs are healthy and happy but they aren't to the standard. This person is changing the breed. They would be nil awarded in the show ring and they are aware of it.
    yep, that's not only unethical IMO, it's disgusting MAC. I understand very well what you are saying.

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    So Ashaari and MAC, may I ask whether the dogs/bitches you own and breed from have all achieved Championship Titles and points etc?

    If you don't wish to answer this here, then no offence taken. Should you desire, please PM me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate View Post
    So Ashaari and MAC, may I ask whether the dogs/bitches you own and breed from have all achieved Championship Titles and points etc?

    If you don't wish to answer this here, then no offence taken. Should you desire, please PM me.
    No I dont mind. The dog in my av was tittled, he was the best. Right now I am breeding from his daughter, who did make her tittle but only because I stopped showing before getting her there, she placed at the tibby show and beat two NZ imports lol But I think only one of our tibby bitches right now is tittled. It is a lot of work to tittle a dog, and I do not believe in tittling a dog that is not the best example I can provide. I breed my guys to complement their best quallities and correct their faults. I will be tittling my new boy though. He is one of the best dogs I have produced, he is worth the money, time and effort.

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    I could decide I want to breed Blue heelers, I would get the best I could, health test, all that stuff but show? I really could not be bothered as I would do it small scale. To me, with all that I have seen in the other thread, surgery, tatooing, cropping docking to get to a show breed standard...nahh, not my thing.

    Any posts made under the name of Di_dee1 one can be used by anyone as I do not give a rats.

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