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    That is why I say attend breed speciality shows. To keep in their eye for their breed.

    It is not necessary to attend all breeds shows.

    Yes I know there are people out there that attend every week and breed crap even though they are winning.

    I also know people who are so disappointed that their BIS winning dog has crap hips and will never be bred from. I know others that unfortunately that wouldn't stop them from breeding said same dog.

    I do know this. You couldn't breed good quality to standard whippets without being out in the ring. They change too much, those fat little puppies alter and change dramatically. Yeah I could breed healthy ones, but could I breed good ones.


    I'm going to step out of this thread now because for me it's an all or nothing thing breeding dogs from researching that foundation bitch, to proving your choice in the ring, it's worth in the whelping box and so on.

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    Thanks to all for the wonderful way you've all put your opinions across. I was wary about this topic going awol, but my fears have been proven to be totally unjust.

    For me it's a hard one because with the breed I love most I feel many are NOT being bred to a standard that I find acceptable. Many are way oversized height-wise, their temperaments honestly are debatable, their body frames are weaker and I'm not even going to touch on some of the toplines which look like a water-slide even in natural stance.

    Hey, maybe husband and I should use these useless plane tickets we've got to tour all the breeders in Vic!

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    Thank you MAC for all your comments. Have found them extremely helpful and above all else factual, honest and well...correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleasanta View Post
    Hi MAC

    There ARE reg. breeders out there who do not show "regularly", but have their breeding stock DNA tested and are still producing puppies within the standards (at least in the SBT world). They very much believe in sticking to the standard and having healthy dogs/bitches, but for some reason just do not show.

    There are also reg. breeders who show and STILL breed from dogs/bitches that are sh!t and/or carriers of L2-HGA (in the SBT world). There is NO excuse for using a dog/bitch that is a carrier/affected with L2-HGA...we have beaut DNA testing now. Any responsible reputable breeder would NEVER use carriers of this disease in their breeding program.

    Look...I wouldn't want to use a dog/bitch unless it had been proven to be of good health, temperament and conformation, but that is just me.


    We have decided we do not want to have show dogs anymore. We would much rather spend our money and time on rescuing dogs in need.

    Well said Dorte..

    & i agree with you fully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie Floyd View Post
    I fully agree with your words MAC...

    Just take a look at the SBT.... there are so many that are way out of the "standard" that they are looking way too much like an Amstaff or pitbull. IMO that is doing damage to my beloved breed & it's reputation when it comes to identification purposes.

    It upsets me a lot to see what some breeders are doing to the SBT in regards to breeding from "over sized" or Blue SBT's ( in which i'm yet to see a Blue that actually is with in the "Standard" & looks like a SBT, most don't though) It would'nt bother me 1 bit if the Blue colour was deleted from the SBT Standard, I for one certainly would'nt start or sign a petition to have the blue reinstated in the SBT "Standard".

    I feel extra proud when people on the street comment about Floyd's height/ size etc.. people often say to me "how nice it is too see a traditional Stafford / Staffy being short & stocky as they should be".

    I know when it comes to me looking for future SBT breeder's that i will be hunting high & low until i find a breeder that has "with in standard" size breeding stock / lines & that are health test & clear of any genetic health issues etc. I don't want a puppy that comes from over sized Sire or Dam / breeding lines.
    I want to comment on the highlighted bit Deb.

    The "traditional" SBT was not stocky and short...it was somewhat leggy and larger than they are being bred now. The introduction of more than 50% of bull to the SBT have made it shorter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mouseandchicken View Post
    That is why I say attend breed speciality shows. To keep in their eye for their breed.

    It is not necessary to attend all breeds shows.

    Yes I know there are people out there that attend every week and breed crap even though they are winning.

    I also know people who are so disappointed that their BIS winning dog has crap hips and will never be bred from. I know others that unfortunately that wouldn't stop them from breeding said same dog.

    I do know this. You couldn't breed good quality to standard whippets without being out in the ring. They change too much, those fat little puppies alter and change dramatically. Yeah I could breed healthy ones, but could I breed good ones.


    I'm going to step out of this thread now because for me it's an all or nothing thing breeding dogs from researching that foundation bitch, to proving your choice in the ring, it's worth in the whelping box and so on.
    This I agree with 100%.

    Your breeding program is worth nothing UNLESS you have a VERY good foundation bitch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleasanta View Post
    I want to comment on the highlighted bit Deb.

    The "traditional" SBT was not stocky and short...it was somewhat leggy and larger than they are being bred now. The introduction of more than 50% of bull to the SBT have made it shorter.


    I understand what your saying Dorte & i should have made myself clearer, i am referring to the current day standards of 16"/38" & not the old standards.

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    I just wanted to say thanks to AF. Because I think she got where I was coming from. Standard, quality and health can be broken down into parts and for a lot of people quality and health would be sufficient.

    AF, like me, I think wants the whole package she wants that SBT look + everything else.

    I hope that is what you meant?

    I know I am not always the best at putting across in type what I'm trying to say so I hope I didn't confuse anyone or rub anyone the wrong way.

    I am glad I'm not a SBT or GSD fanatic because your hunt for the perfect specimen has been made difficult by disreputable people.

    DA this is an interesting thread, I hate it when the forum has a boring day.
    . But I also know this hits me in the heart of my love for dogs and I'm an all or nothing type of person IYKWIM.

    So I'll check in to see if it progresses any further but will endeavour to sit on my fingers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate View Post
    Okay, firstly I ask that this thread stay a respectful debate from both sides where members can give me their honest opinions. I WANT to see the pro's and con's from BOTH sides. Thanks in advance.

    It seems to me there is no middle ground when it comes to breeders/breeding.
    You have at one end of the scale those breeders who are registered with the necessary affiliations, whether they are reputable or not. I assume ALL registered breeders show their dogs on the circuit?
    At the other end of the scale you have the BYBs who rarely test their dogs for genetic problems, rarely get passes and scores for tests done health-wise, and rarely have a bloody clue what they are doing!

    Where is the middle ground? Why can responsible people not become registered and reputable breeders who breed from decent and healthy stock? Why MUST it be assumed that all breedesr should be in the show ring getting titles for their dogs?

    Welcoming all comments on this subject. It is one that has been grating at me for probably 15 years!!! Lol.
    The people I will possibly be getting a puppy off - if the mating catches (shhhh I didn't tell you this) have not shown for years. They're over it. They rarely breed and this is their first litter in EONS. I'm stoked - wrapped even. Some breeders are in the GSD ring and just produce crap after crap. Just because you have a kennel name and a few show wins does not mean you should be breeding.

    The only people you should get a dog from are those who breed rarely, have experience in the show ring so that they know what the breed is all about and who breed for the betterment of the breed. We are owners should be co-incidental.

    I hate this breeding for a market crap - it has made our breed soft and deformed.

    I don't want a quiet mousey GSD. There is no point in that. I want a dog that has more from than Myers. One that conforms to breed standard wholly -not breed standard + consumer market.

    Lots of NICE dogs have been bred BYB - Billie was one - but they shouldn't be breeding because they are not working to better a breed

    I hate oodle breeders because they're working for the market for cutesy wootsy petsy wetsies. If you want a small companion dog - get a mini poodle OR get a tibbie - they've been around for years. You do NOT NEED to oodle it up.

    The only good breeder is one who breeds firstly for the dogs and then matches the dogs with the owners.

    I know what I am getting into with this next pup because I know the lines and I know the breeder. Everyone should be in that boat!

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    You bugger Occy, and yu're not gonna tell me which breeder, which line are you? Just dangle me a carrot. PMSL.

    good post above BTW.

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