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    Excellent post Grey's, you put it perfectly IMO.

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    Great post GAG. Impulse buying is the main reason why dogs end up at the RSPCA/in shelters, IMO.

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    I agree with that, actually. Impulse buying and also lack of education to buyers imo - they just have no idea what sort of dog they are buying or what their requirements will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate View Post
    I agree with that, actually. Impulse buying and also lack of education to buyers imo - they just have no idea what sort of dog they are buying or what their requirements will be.
    It baffles me that there are people out there that buy puppies and have NO idea about the needs of that puppy.

    Its like having a baby and not realising you need to bath it and feed it and have somewhere for it to sleep!!!

    Its just CRAZY!!!

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    Until every puppy from a litter is tested then there is no guarantee that problems will not occur.


    For instance, I test the two parents, they have a litter of 7, I keep two and I test those two. All clear, all given a good bill of health.

    But what of the 5 other puppies sold to pet homes. Do they want to pay to have them tested? Doubt it. Do they want to pay enough for the puppies that I will go and organise the testing for them? Doubt it.

    We test and scrutinize our dogs far more than the pet owner gives us credit for but a lot of the time we can only test the dogs we have retained.

    If someone rings me up in 3 years time and says that a puppy I sold them turned out not to be healthy then yes I will no longer breed from the parents. But I may have bred from that pair again in the meantime.

    I am a responsible registered breeder, but I can only be responsible for the dogs within my care and ownership. Would I love to have some sort of "hold" over the pet owners? Yep. But would they want it? Nope.

    Research the breed, the breeder and then realise that we are in the real world dealing with living breathing animals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mouseandchicken View Post
    Until every puppy from a litter is tested then there is no guarantee that problems will not occur.


    For instance, I test the two parents, they have a litter of 7, I keep two and I test those two. All clear, all given a good bill of health.

    But what of the 5 other puppies sold to pet homes. Do they want to pay to have them tested? Doubt it. Do they want to pay enough for the puppies that I will go and organise the testing for them? Doubt it.

    We test and scrutinize our dogs far more than the pet owner gives us credit for but a lot of the time we can only test the dogs we have retained.

    If someone rings me up in 3 years time and says that a puppy I sold them turned out not to be healthy then yes I will no longer breed from the parents. But I may have bred from that pair again in the meantime.

    I am a responsible registered breeder, but I can only be responsible for the dogs within my care and ownership. Would I love to have some sort of "hold" over the pet owners? Yep. But would they want it? Nope.

    Research the breed, the breeder and then realise that we are in the real world dealing with living breathing animals.
    Look, IMHO that is the most realistic post yet!

    I am forever dumbfounded at the world who believes that breeders must have stock that are perfect. NO SUCH THING. If they were they'd all have bloody wings!

    IMO GOOD breeders will do everything they can to test their breeding stock for everything that particular breed is reknown to be susceptible to. They can do no more than that.

    Jeez, to be honest I wonder why so many ppl expect such perfection from dogs - the human race is born and bred with not a thought for genetic problems. Quite point blank and harshly put I think some breeders do a far superior job breeding their dogs than what many ppl do breeding ppl.

    *DA waits for the eggs*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate View Post
    Look, IMHO that is the most realistic post yet!

    I am forever dumbfounded at the world who believes that breeders must have stock that are perfect. NO SUCH THING. If they were they'd all have bloody wings!

    IMO GOOD breeders will do everything they can to test their breeding stock for everything that particular breed is reknown to be susceptible to. They can do no more than that.

    Jeez, to be honest I wonder why so many ppl expect such perfection from dogs - the human race is born and bred with not a thought for genetic problems. Quite point blank and harshly put I think some breeders do a far superior job breeding their dogs than what many ppl do breeding ppl.

    *DA waits for the eggs*
    *AGB throws roses at MAC & DA's feet*

    Both very well said thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate View Post
    Look, IMHO that is the most realistic post yet!

    I am forever dumbfounded at the world who believes that breeders must have stock that are perfect. NO SUCH THING. If they were they'd all have bloody wings!

    IMO GOOD breeders will do everything they can to test their breeding stock for everything that particular breed is reknown to be susceptible to. They can do no more than that.

    Jeez, to be honest I wonder why so many ppl expect such perfection from dogs - the human race is born and bred with not a thought for genetic problems. Quite point blank and harshly put I think some breeders do a far superior job breeding their dogs than what many ppl do breeding ppl.*DA waits for the eggs*
    EXACTLY. People expect perfection. The breeders can try their hardest to produce the best they can, but NOONES PERFECT. And I agree with that last statement, too.

    Quote Originally Posted by mouseandchicken View Post
    Until every puppy from a litter is tested then there is no guarantee that problems will not occur.


    For instance, I test the two parents, they have a litter of 7, I keep two and I test those two. All clear, all given a good bill of health.

    But what of the 5 other puppies sold to pet homes. Do they want to pay to have them tested? Doubt it. Do they want to pay enough for the puppies that I will go and organise the testing for them? Doubt it.

    We test and scrutinize our dogs far more than the pet owner gives us credit for but a lot of the time we can only test the dogs we have retained.

    If someone rings me up in 3 years time and says that a puppy I sold them turned out not to be healthy then yes I will no longer breed from the parents. But I may have bred from that pair again in the meantime.

    I am a responsible registered breeder, but I can only be responsible for the dogs within my care and ownership. Would I love to have some sort of "hold" over the pet owners? Yep. But would they want it? Nope.

    Research the breed, the breeder and then realise that we are in the real world dealing with living breathing animals.
    Really good post MAC. Some people think that they can just throw their dogs away like toys once they are sick of them. I think that if people call up years later, blaming it on the breeder that they chose a dog with health problems, I beleive that its the buyers fault for not spending the money to get their dogs checked. The breeder has had the parents checked, two of their siblings checked, and they were all free of ailments, I think that is a very responsible breeder. I was talking to a socalled 'responsible' (he called himself that) previous breeder a while ago, and they didnt even bother to get their dogs checked for health problems, and wondered why 3 customers called up and complained that their dogs had health problems. All of these dogs were from the same parents, different litters.

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    And we can only test for the diseases known to particular breeds. I mean really, I'm not going to send a dog off for a battery of health tests unless they are known to be prevalent within the breed.

    There is no testing required for Whippets here in Australia.

    The gene pool for Whippets is quite large. I would love to use an Irish dog recently imported over one of my bitches. But I have to wait in all honesty until I have the money.

    Because he is going to cost a bit to use. Then I have to think further than just the puppy/s I might deem worthy to retain. Who wants to pay for what they are worth. Pet buyers aren't interested in how well he has performed as a sire in Ireland. They just want a puppy, they want it now, they want a particular colour, they don't want to pay too much, but it must be perfect healthy etc etc.

    I think I need to walk away from this thread it's getting under my skin.

    I'm not

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