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    I think we are going backwards.
    I think that some. breeders can be breeding faults into their lines with either ignorance or not caring.
    I think that the same can happen with crosses.
    I personally don't give a rats whether a dog is pure or a cross, For my own pets I prefer temperement and fitting a breed or cross to my family situation. In saying that though I am referring to rescues etc, not going out to buy a dog. I have never bought a dog, they just seem to be rescues or strays or one I have managed to have by stealth.
    (Pretty)

    OT but I see the biggest problem today is humanisation of dogs where such needy people make them into what they are not, therefore confusing the dog as to it's role and then behaviour problems arise.
    Of course that is a broad generalisation, many are not like this. There are also rogue dogs in every breed but I do think we are making rods for our own backs attributing human feelings/emotions to dogs and behaving as if this was the case. I think you can have all the catch phrases and jargon you want but the bottom line is getting a dog of any breed (cross if it is a rescue, not bought) that matches your needs and theirs and then treating it as a loved DOGGY member of the family using give and take to find a medium that is enjoyed by all.

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    I think its a bit like shop vegies - as long as we're picking for pretty and durable - we're going to get food that tastes like nothing much.

    So a long long time ago before there were breed standards and British Kennel Clubs - people picked dogs to breed based on their ability to perform specific tasks and for their temperment - not for how pretty they looked or whether they conformed to a particular measurement standard. And if there was a dog from another village or country that a breeder / farmer thought would help his line - he'd include it as an outcross.

    More recently the Kennel Club came along and started running shows where the winners seemed to be picked for looking pretty and things like good at task and temperment and healthy long lives were ignored. And people paid more money for the pretty dogs. The Kennel Club also made restrictions on the parentage of dogs of particular breeds so outcrosses to help a line were no longer permitted (although before DNA testing it was possible to lie on a parentage card).

    Restricting parentage - can lead to genetic problems because if parents share a gene - it is more likely to show up in the children - this can be good and bad but if the bad is no longer screened out because only "pretty" matters - the bad gene pool gets worse / stronger / more widespread across the breed - as per the BBC pedigree dogs exposed program.

    But there is no guarantee that an outcross wouldn't introduce a bad gene to the breed too.

    I think the problems come from breeding "pretty"dogs, and not breeding for healthly long lives and suitable temperment and ability to perform whatever task is required. Restrictions on outcrossing can make problems worse - but so can breeding "designer crosses" ie for pretty cute quick sell puppies - without screening and selecting for anything else.

    And what fuels all this is people who are focussed on fashion only and don't know any better or don't want to know any better.

    I wonder if we should organise and hand out flyers at petshops...or write shopping centre management and educate a few people who can do something. Write our politicians and council reps. Or is the right to a mutant puppy like the "right to free speech".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela's Gone Batty View Post
    That's what I thought. I think it's stupid and ridiculous that children are being taught to behave this way.

    How could anyone run away from Ralph! He's stunning!
    Ah, but it is the stigma of being a SBT! Too much bad press!
    Kids should be taught to ask the owner of the dog (if the kids are interested), if it is okay to say "Hello" to the doggie! Also be taught by the parents how to approach a dog and pat a dog correctly. I know there is the problem of "Stranger Danger", but if it is someone local they know or they are with their parents, I can see no problem.
    Kids need to be socialised the same as dogs need to be socialised.
    (Please I mean no disrespect for those with kids!)

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    Well Bo, I do have kids, and I agree with you 100%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate View Post
    Well Bo, I do have kids, and I agree with you 100%.
    That's great DA, my son is a father himself and I am hoping he will bring up his son with the right knowledge and understanding!

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    I know my son never lets his kids just go up to a dog.

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    I think I'm a little mean to some of the kids. There were a couple who came racing up to ask me "does he bite" (talking about Batty when he was 11weeks old). My response was "No, But I will if you aren't nice to him" they ran away for some reason?? Then again most kids look at me and run screaming in the opposite direction or hide behind their parents....

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    We were always taught as kids not to go up to other peoples dogs and also not to tease the dog - and if you teased the dog and got bitten, it was your own fault, too bad.

    We often have kids run screaming at Bella and Charlie - "PUPPIES!!!!!!!!" I usually turn the dogs in the other direction. I had a little girl throw herself onto Bella one day outside the Lost Dogs Home while we were waiting for school to start. I was actually talking to Hippo at the time and she had a word to the little girl about not running up to strange dogs!

    As for the other stuff....


    To a lot of people, a dog is a dog - it's something you play with while it's cute then it just becomes a background figure as it gets older. These people aren't going to do months and months - or years - of research and find the perfect breed from the perfect breeder - they'll get the one out of the paper, or whatever. Not everyone has the genuine, pure love of and interest in dogs that we do.

    I think a lot of it does boil down to a "want it now" society, and cost is definately a factor as well. A lot of it is also because the information isn't out there - or should I say, the "want you want to hear" info is there, but the genuine info - the real pro's and con's etc - can be a bit harder to find, or to take. We're all guilty of only hearing what we want to hear and ignoring what we don't want to know!

    A lot of people do also do genuinely believe they are doing the right thing when they buy their cross because the "positive aspects" of the DDs are really pushed (*ahem* me...)


    I normally stay out of these debates - due to being a DD owner - and I don't often talk about why we got ours (see Pug Crosses thread if you're interested) but I think you all know me well enough by now to know that I'm not just some idiot and that I do genuinely love dogs!!

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    We arnt going backwards, We arnt going forwards either, what's hppening is people are going around in circles re inventing the wheel, It happens with all things.
    If you find yourself going through hell; Don't stay. Just keep on going.
    Beau.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela's Gone Batty View Post
    I think I'm a little mean to some of the kids. There were a couple who came racing up to ask me "does he bite" (talking about Batty when he was 11weeks old). My response was "No, But I will if you aren't nice to him" they ran away for some reason?? Then again most kids look at me and run screaming in the opposite direction or hide behind their parents....
    I think there need to be more people like you in the world! I think children need to be taught respect and responsibility in A LOT of ways and I think the way you talk to children is respectful and responsible! I admired the way you told the kids next door to "NOT call Batty while on the lead but come to you if they wanted a pat". I think it was the right thing to do and say!

    From the perspective of a first time puppy owner I think breeders need to advocate MORE about what they provide and why its better than a pet store/BYB.

    I think that knowing that some dogs are not treated well when bred by byb/puppy mills is one thing BUT IMO what would motivate buyers to source puppies from reputable breeders is knowing there are breeders out there that offer health gurantees and rebates for desexing would be VERY enticing! And if people were enticed to buy from reputable breeders then less people would buy from pet stores/byb's and hopefully, one day, these people would not be able to charge RIDICULOUS amounts for their dogs!!!

    I do think the general public believe that cross breeds are on equal playing fields when it comes to having PET dogs. A parent at work bought her 8 yr old son a 6 WEEK OLD Moodle from PP on the weekend! She bought it into work today and the poor thing just shivered!!!

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