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    I was just reading Clea's thread she started about the Cesar Millan Puppy Mills episode she watched and didn't want to de-rail it so thought I would start my own thread...

    After reading it I am worried we are too 'hard' on Poppy when telling her "No", "Down" and "Uh, Uh".

    We generally use a very firm tone and then move on to the growl tone.

    For example - Miss has decided it could be fun to jump up and stand on the coffee table!!! Well this is just NOT on! She has learn't to jump on the couch and we do let her up there so I guess she sees the coffee table as an extension on that.

    Last night I was VERY firm about telling her "NO DOWN" and then she did it AGAIN! So out came the growl! After that she gives me the sad puppy eyes and goes and lays down in the hall just next to the lounge (so she is still close and with us - I think she just like the tiles) and gives me more puppy eyes!

    She definately is getting more "pushy" with the boundaries. I want a well mannered, well behaved dog but I don't want her to be all scared of us.

    We start puppy preschool on Monday so am hoping that helps but wanted your opinion on this.

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    I have always done the sharp NO. I repeat it and then they get pushed down with a NO, then praise when they stay there. I got 4 pups doing that all at the same time, uggghhhh. They (now only 2, sometimes 3) know they get lots of scratches etc when around me by staying down. A knee in the chest does not hurt either with a NO for repeated or exuberant times.
    Mine are not scared at all, just know boundaries most of the time.
    I do not do it as a conscious training effort but just as occasions arise. I also make sure that it is as easy as it can be for all of us, eg shoes put up high so they won't chew them and pigs ears to get out of their foraging toy box to satisfy their chewing needs. A bit like a bit of childproofing the house but still having less things around that you can still say no to that won't really matter so much if some light damage is done due to my inattention.
    If they push, I push back and win, or I try to do win win as much as I can.

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    Re the coffee table...mine learn yes things they can and can't be on by no, down etc then reward (praise) and smiling ok on things they can. Takes time though. Pretty (the mother) knows she can be on my bed during the day but not at night, there was no real conscious effort to teach her that, maybe she just figures it is ok if hubby is not there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Di_dee1 View Post
    I have always done the sharp NO. I repeat it and then they get pushed down with a NO, then praise when they stay there. I got 4 pups doing that all at the same time, uggghhhh. They (now only 2, sometimes 3) know they get lots of scratches etc when around me by staying down. A knee in the chest does not hurt either with a NO for repeated or exuberant times.
    Mine are not scared at all, just know boundaries most of the time.
    I do not do it as a conscious training effort but just as occasions arise. I also make sure that it is as easy as it can be for all of us, eg shoes put up high so they won't chew them and pigs ears to get out of their foraging toy box to satisfy their chewing needs. A bit like a bit of childproofing the house but still having less things around that you can still say no to that won't really matter so much if some light damage is done due to my inattention.
    If they push, I push back and win, or I try to do win win as much as I can.

    Thanks Di! We don't do it as a purposeful training thing either...maybe my title is a bit misleading. We have all chewables removed and until yesterday the coffee table was a "safe spot" for remotes and mobile phones etc!

    With regards to chewing she is pretty good. She does chew things she is not supposed to but when we offer her one of HER chew toys she will go to that!

    I guess I was more worried about being to harsh and her getting all timid.

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    I think you will find that she is just getting more confident around you both. Some people on here have said it can take up to 6 weeks for a dog to settle in and for their cheekiness to start to emerge (not an exact quote, but I wanted it understandable )

    Sounds exactly like what Batty does when he's in trouble only sometimes he'll play the excited but wiggle too

    You are saying a firm no, then when she disobeys you get firmer. That's completely normal and IMO the right thing to do. I don't think anyone should ever just jump straight to the harsh punishment unless the act calls for it.

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    That makes sense Angela. She is definately a different little girl to the one we bought home. When she hears the garage door go up she runs to the door waiting for me or OH to come in then jumps at us for cuddles or will roll over onto her belly as if to say "pat me!"

    When on the couch sometimes she is happy to lay next to us other times she wants to be right on top of me and climbs onto me so she can lick me!

    Its nice she feels so at home. I guess we just have to be constant in our expectations so she knows what she can and can't do. Ie - Jumping on the coffee table is NOT ok! Ever! Lol!

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    Being constant is the absolute key. Let them get away with it once and you could be right back at the beginning. A pain in the bum when you are tired etc but worth it in the long run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Di_dee1 View Post
    Being constant is the absolute key. Let them get away with it once and you could be right back at the beginning. A pain in the bum when you are tired etc but worth it in the long run.
    Couldn't have said it better myself!

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    AMY Dont worry about being strict with your house rules. Poppy will be a happier dog for them! Think of a wild pack. If the pack leader doesnt like what the other dog is doing they will throw them to the ground and stand over them growling! In comparison what you are doing is only having a stern word, which is all she should need. She is going to test the boundaries but as Di said, Be consistant. The moment she thinks she can get away with something she will keep at it! lol
    Good luck with her.

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    Poppy will be a better dog due to consistency...kind, positive and gentle reinforcement and lots of love. She also needs to be told when things are not acceptable...eg setting boundaries and house rules. Remember...she is living in YOUR house...not the other way around

    I say NO...OFF...OUT...ENOUGH...SPIT IT OUT...SIT...DROP...UH UH...LEAVE IT...WAIT and I don't say it like I am politely asking them...I am telling them. I don't scream and yell.....but when I say...spit it out...I mean SPIT IT OUT NOW! Not in 10 seconds or 5 minutes when they feel like it, because then it might be too late eg if they found something dangerous.

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