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    Thanks for links Angela.

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    Oh and I just re-watched the video of the husky/malamute (not sure which it is). Saying he strangled the dog IMO is going a bit far, but he should NEVER have pushed the dog so close. There are far better ways of solving that problem - with both dominant and submissive dogs - without resorting to flooding. But that's IMO, from seeing other methods work down at the dog club and being in that position with a foster.

    Bordeaux I think I actually stopped absorbing any information properly when he said his methods will work without failure on every dog. I don't believe it and I think he is full of crap trying to make himself as much money as possible. Brilliant businessman though, he's done well for himself from a marketing perspective.

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    My first thought watching the video about the St Bernard, was...

    My gosh he looks a bit strange without his coat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleasanta View Post
    I think we do what seems to work for us. Sure I believe you must assert yourself to gain leadership, but it definitely doesn't have to be done with force. I don't use force on my dogs, but they know I am the leader in this house. I step in when things get out of hand...I discipline when needed (eg timeout etc)...I am the provider of food...I tell them what is allowed and not allowed.
    I know exactly what you mean and I believe the same thing, I do like to start out soft and adjust if things aren't working though. I give clear boundaries, but the discipline starts out at a low volume, firm no. If I need to I will growl (I need to with Batty, darn stubborn puppy!) but I don't think there is any such thing as one training method that will work for everyone and I think that anyone who advertises that needs to get out of the business before they cause some serious damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleasanta View Post
    Look...I didn't start this thread to get into yet another discussion regarding Cesar and Victoria. We have done that plenty of time here in the Forum and they all (as I can remember) ended with fighting and huge arguments.

    I did it because I watched the episode regarding Puppy Mills. It could have been anybody's episode and I would still have posted it here.

    The episode was deeply sad and left me feeling devastated to be honest...also from knowing that this goes on in many places and other Puppy Farm will look a lot worse than the ones which were portrayed in that episode.
    I agree entirely, and my apologies for derailing the thread, if you would like me to I can go and remove the links and just say in the posts "pm me if you would like the links?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela's Gone Batty View Post
    I agree entirely, and my apologies for derailing the thread, if you would like me to I can go and remove the links and just say in the posts "pm me if you would like the links?"
    I would not think that is necessary at all.

    We must be able to communicate here on this forum without the fear that things are going to turn sour at every difference of opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleasanta View Post
    Nah...it's alright.

    I know if Cesar's methods were put on Sumo...he would be damaged for life. Putting a check collar on him and he shut down trembling...the poor thing. You can NOT use force on Sumo...he has a very gentle soul. The same goes for Ruby...just a raised voice and she is gone.
    TBH I think the same would apply to most dogs if they have clearly defined boundaries.

    Ruby and Sumo sound like such sweethearts!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleasanta View Post
    They are Angela I love them to bits!

    Lets just say...they believe the boudaries are somewhat blurred every once in a while

    But I also know...if I got to a point like I was in with Odin...I would be willing to try anything to be able to keep my dogs. Some people think prong collar are the devil's tool...I think it is useful if use PROPERLY!

    Ever since we put a check collar on Sumo (was told by Delta Trainer that he MUST wear one for their training...stupid twit)...he shuts down when I collar him...even with a flat collar. The effect of that collar on him will be life long unfortunately. Just the sound of the chains...and he trembles
    Poor darling boy! I don't think check chains are necessary at all! I honestly can't see why they aren't banned! There are so many scientific studies backing how bad they are for dogs.

    I have to admit, I love the cheekiness at times

    I would do the same thing as you if i were ever in a position like you were with Odin. I too think the prong is a brilliant training tool, but you do need to be taught how to use them properly.

    A check chain is only ok if the dog never ever pulls on the lead under any circumstance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleasanta View Post
    Correct....and then why would you use one if your dog is walking properly
    Hubby has a soft spot for Rotties and thinks the check chain looks lovely against their coat, I can understand that people go with what looks good on their dogs - heck I do the same thing! So I guess that's one reason?

    He doesn't like that everyone can buy them though (which did surprise me TBH). He says they should be restricted to those who have more than two brain cells

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela's Gone Batty View Post
    Hubby has a soft spot for Rotties and thinks the check chain looks lovely against their coat, I can understand that people go with what looks good on their dogs - heck I do the same thing! So I guess that's one reason?

    He doesn't like that everyone can buy them though (which did surprise me TBH). He says they should be restricted to those who have more than two brain cells
    Unfortunately, that would be impossible to regulate. Lol.

    I have used check chains all my life. About 20 years ago I started advocating against the chain-link ones, and pushed the material check-chain. They are so much kinder for reasons I won't bore you all with here.
    If used correctly, they are excellent for training certain breeds of dogs IMO.

    Please do remember though, all dogs have different expectations and requirements. Whilst many ppl training their family pets have no need whatsoever for any of this sort of stuff, there are many professions and situations out there that do feel the requirement to train using firmer tools.

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