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    Quote Originally Posted by mitte View Post
    Puppy Farming ?
    I had not heard of this terminology till reading this forum. But it does possibly answer why my 2nd Keeshond suffered from a condition from puppyhood that had us wondering.

    We bought ' Kosmo ' from a pet store at Capalaba. From memory, we paid about $600 for him. Right from the start, we had problems with Kosmo. To top that off, the entire litter at the store died 2 days after we bought Kosmo.
    Kosmo had no papers , so we set about getting papers for him only to find out the whole litter was not registered. My wife actually had to get the details of the breeder and then pay CCCQ to register the litter to obtain papers for Kosmo. We were'nt impressed at all with the 'so called' breeder.

    Right from the start, Kosmo seemed scared of many things, including when you went to pat or stroke him, he would cower away. Quite different to ' Keesie ', our first Keeshond who was very outgoing and loving from day 1.

    Now I think Kosmo must have been a victim of puppy farming and mistreated during his time there before we bought him.

    Over the years, he did become a very loving, loyal Dog whos only mean streak was a disliking of our cats, but in his final years, they did not worry him.

    Sadly, Kosmo died last May whilst we were overseas and so never got to see him again from the day we first left on our trip. He spent 3 nights at the Vets and died the night before we returned. We were very sad and upset ..

    Just when we thought 2008 could not get any worse, Keesie passed away during November. At least this time we were there to comfort her up to the end.
    2008 was not a good year.

    RIP Kosmo 1996-2008
    RIP Keesie 1994-2008
    You both will always be loved...
    Hi Mitte,

    I am so very sorry for the loss of your most constant companions.

    I have been there, time is the healer.

    Hold close to your heart the great times and know that you have given the best life imaginable for Kosmo and Keesie.

    What blessed lucky babes they were.

    Most people have no idea of puppy farming and pet shops as those involved hide it away. They and the industry who supports it for profit don't wan't you to know or to be well informed as then you will make a moral choice based on facts and education and they will losse $$$.

    I had no idea either Mitte and became involved in rescue once informed.

    Welfare groups are taking on a multi billion dollar industry and we chip away at the huge block every moment of the day.

    There have been many small yet significant wins for animals and this will increase.

    The most important thing today is to remember to be well educated and adopt from a shelter, rescue group or breed specific rescue.

    Take the time to meet animals and research. Insist on follow up support, guidence and care through the life of the animal.

    You will be ok....and when you are ready you will be swept up with great love, compassion and joy with your next Bub.

    Best wishes,
    B

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    Once again an excellent,compassionate post from Billy ( don't worry - you will soon see it's somewhat of a trend )

    I sadly lost my heart dog last year as well...and whilst I wish I could say that the pain will get better , I would not be telling you the truth
    However, as Billy said , time will help you deal with it and before you know it a new bundle of fur will be there smiling at you to help fill what must be a very lonely spot.


    It has interested me though to know that you were able to in fact get your precious one registered?
    This leads to the deduction that the original 'breeder' ( and I use the term loosely) was actually 'registered' with the CCQ . That disgusts me no end.

    It is one of my biggest beefs , in particular with my breed , sometimes one must wonder....if we have to clean up after even 'registered' breeders what hope do we stand against the back yarders and farmers
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChoppaChop View Post
    Once again an excellent,compassionate post from Billy ( don't worry - you will soon see it's somewhat of a trend )

    I sadly lost my heart dog last year as well...and whilst I wish I could say that the pain will get better , I would not be telling you the truth
    However, as Billy said , time will help you deal with it and before you know it a new bundle of fur will be there smiling at you to help fill what must be a very lonely spot.
    Kosmo and Keesie have been Cremated and have pride of place in our Family room, Their ashes contained in separate Chinese Lanterns..

    But the time has come to fill the hole left by our lovely Keeshonds.
    We are now in the process of purchasing a puppy in May ( Japanese Spitz ) from who I think is a caring reputable Breeder. He has had some good feedback on this forum ! We have had conversations on the phone with this breeder and he does sound quite genuine and has offered his advice anytime we may need some and he would like regular photos sent back to him. I am not sure why his prices are hundreds of dollars less than those charged by JS breeders in my area ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChoppaChop View Post
    It has interested me though to know that you were able to in fact get your precious one registered?
    This leads to the deduction that the original 'breeder' ( and I use the term loosely) was actually 'registered' with the CCQ . That disgusts me no end.

    It is one of my biggest beefs , in particular with my breed , sometimes one must wonder....if we have to clean up after even 'registered' breeders what hope do we stand against the back yarders and farmers
    That is a very good point. You are correct, the 'breeder' was registered with CCCQ and had no intention of registering the litter Kosmo was part off..
    If I find the papers, I could PM the name of the breeder.

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    If you wouldn't mind that would be greatly appreciated!

    And I am so pleased to hear that you have decided to open your heart once again .
    But isn't it amaxing though? often the case with prices...most first time puppy people do not realise that a pup from reputable registered breeder will be less then that from a Pet Shop or Farm .

    Your lovely Kosmo and Keesie will be waiting at the Bridge ... they were obviously adored whilst here with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mitte View Post
    I am not sure why his prices are hundreds of dollars less than those charged by JS breeders in my area ?
    Well, could be many things, but if he's open to conversations and help maybe you could ask him. Maybe the litter comes from average parents, not some champions, which is completely fine if you don't have intentions breeding further.

    most first time puppy people do not realise that a pup from reputable registered breeder will be less then that from a Pet Shop or Farm .
    No they don't. They end up often paying triple the price than what they would pay for puppy from the best possible litter of certain breed. They are often sick, have behaviour problems, and are not typical at all for the breed they should represent. It all costs, from veterinarians, to puppy schools, and mostly your nerves, emotions and time that should be spent enjoying not crying and being stressed with not knowing what is wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fedra View Post
    There is not such thing as Licensed Cross Breeder.
    Breeding is in fact very complicated thing that involves a lot of knowledge, hard work, time and money. Puppy mills don't do any of these, except make money in a most horrible way.
    Yes, I'm well aware that breeding is complicated and I'm also well aware of the practices of "puppy mills/farms". It seems perhaps that licensing doesn't necessarily mean humane or conscientious, which was the gist behind my original question.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fedra View Post
    I am sure you can find the breed that suits you beacuse there's thousands of them around, you just have to look, educate yourself, ask around and perhaps spend a bit more money. And anyway, no matter what breed or mix you get each of them has it's own personality anyway.
    Thousands? Worldwide maybe, but within Australia? I think not. I HAVE looked, I HAVE educated myself and I really don't care how much my next four legged friend would cost.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fedra View Post
    Out of curiosity, what do you look in a dog, what do you want to think that none so far can meet your expectations?
    I have already tried to explain my requirements in previous posts in this thread, if you'd cared to read them.

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    Hi Adam

    It is fantastic that you are researching so well and considering all facets of a new friend.

    I was wonderding if you are after an indoors dog predominantly or outdoors?

    A couple that come to mind are Schnauzer, Feild Spaniel, Whippet and Italian Greyhound...

    Of course you can also take a look at rescue groups (breed rescue too).

    I am unsure as to whether i have given you the link for Pet Rescue? If not www.petrescue.com.au you will get a great idea of dogs available there, as well as lots of info and ideas on adopting a new companion.

    I hope this helps

    B
    Last edited by Billy; 02-06-2009 at 11:35 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrSquish View Post
    ......
    Sorry my posts are a bit dry, I work at the same time, and didn't mean to judge you in any way or form. Maybe I skipped the bit where you put your dog expectations.
    About puppy mills I wrote in general, I have a feeling that you think it was addressed to you. It wasn't

    Beagle (digging issues)
    I understand you there, and many many more...

    Malamute (we don't like the idea of always needing to have our dog on a leash for the fear that it will eat someone elses four legged friend)
    This is the last issue you should be worried about. They are mostly well balanced well natured dogs. But, they are NOT medium sized, but rather large, need a lot of excercise and are quite stubborn and strong headed. And, yes, you need an aircon for them too

    I just love Samoyeds but don't really like the idea of needing to use air conditioning during summer. If I could get a short hair version, that would be the ultimate.
    Similar nature as malamute

    We have a fiend who breeds dobermans, who suggested we go along to the next pedigree dog show, I think there's one on Australia day (in Melbourne). That way we get to see the dogs in real life and get to talk to breeders etc.
    good idea, talk to breeders and ask as many questions.

    few of my suggestions:

    cocker spaniel, very intelligent, loves learning

    scnautzer (medium or miniature), perhaps medium, miniature is a bit hyperactive

    Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier, nice family dog, doesn't shed but needs trimming, playfull, learns easily, a bit stubborn but nothing like beagle or malamute

    Cavalier King Charles Spaniel
    Last edited by Fedra; 02-06-2009 at 05:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozeymum View Post
    I am hopeing to do tracking with my BA, but you cannot do this sport unless you have a PB ...
    Actually you can compete with your dog...

    Xbreeds and Purebreds without papers are just put on an Associate Register when you become a memeber of the CCC... The only requirement for this is the Associate dogs must be desexed. Each CCC member can have 1 dog on AR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alasse View Post
    Actually you can compete with your dog...

    Xbreeds and Purebreds without papers are just put on an Associate Register when you become a memeber of the CCC... The only requirement for this is the Associate dogs must be desexed. Each CCC member can have 1 dog on AR.
    Hi, thanks for your info that's great!

    I haven't looked right into this sport yet as I have to get her obedience trained first...the club I am going to (we start in 2 weeks) have quite a few members who also do tracking, so hopefully they will give me a few tips, info ect. I'm looking forward to it
    Cheers

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