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    Quote Originally Posted by ChoppaChop View Post
    A well bred BA is a lovely dog Ozeymum

    Some reputable,ethical people are trying hard to have this type of dog recognised. Yes ,some will say,but it is a cross bred and you ( meaning me ) .

    Hey ChoppaChop....Please don't think I am meaning you....nooo
    I completely understand where you are comming from!

    I just wanted a all in all opinion on this breed as I want to do trialing with her ...and I DO hope this breed one day does become a reconised breed within the ccc

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    Quote Originally Posted by ericandmargie View Post
    I myself don't really care whether a dog comes from a "puppy farm", a licensed or a "backyard breeder". What I would look into is the temperaments of both pup and the parents.
    I had dogs from pet shops and turn out to be good and healthy. What I would say from experience is that puppies from these places have some behavioral issues because of poor breeding and handling.
    Hi there,

    Sorry to be so up front, but i am yet to meet a compasionate person who supports puppy farming in any way shape or form....apart from the evil creatures who profit and are responsible for the misery.

    Perhaps you are yet to learn of the torture behind that sweet little face in the pet shop window, if so i appologise.

    Please follow this link to give you some insight. govegan

    Puppies born from mothers who are treated so badly, remain confined for their entire lives, bred consistently from a young age, neglected etc have well known genetic and behavioural issues.

    I see this consistently in rescue work every single day!

    Puppy farmers supply pet shops and sell over the trading post and internet.

    Dogs are companion animals of great intellegence and affection. We are speaking of mans best friend here, i can hardly find the words to express such hideous, evil, greedy abuse. Profit riding on the back of these animals.......discusting.

    Puppy farming in this country must be outlawed.

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    Last edited by Billy; 02-04-2009 at 03:13 PM.

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    Perhaps there are some people who may be interested in learning more about puppy farming and pet shops?

    I wonder if it is worthwhile offering some further education on this forum?

    That way people can make up their own minds while being fully informed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy View Post
    Perhaps there are some people who may be interested in learning more about puppy farming and pet shops?

    I wonder if it is worthwhile offering some further education on this forum?

    That way people can make up their own minds while being fully informed.

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    I think that could be a great idea Billy!

    Education is the key IMHO

    Some people know no better and most of those find out after the purchase of their bub and are horrified at what they have supported .Others seem to not care as long as they get what they wanted and that is sad in more ways than one
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozeymum View Post
    Hey ChoppaChop....Please don't think I am meaning you....nooo
    I completely understand where you are comming from!

    I just wanted a all in all opinion on this breed as I want to do trialing with her ...and I DO hope this breed one day does become a reconised breed within the ccc

    Cheers
    Thanks ozeymum , just didn't want to offend but thought I needed to put forth a view

    I would love to see updates on your progress with your girl
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChoppaChop View Post
    I think that could be a great idea Billy!

    Education is the key IMHO

    Some people know no better and most of those find out after the purchase of their bub and are horrified at what they have supported .Others seem to not care as long as they get what they wanted and that is sad in more ways than one
    Hi Choppa Chop,

    I agree, sadly the majority of people have absolutely no idea as to the length of cruelty and abuse involved in farming/pumping puppies out into communities simply for $$$.

    Education of the masses is vital.

    Meanwhile those who are well versed and experienced in the horror cry themselves to sleep every night.

    I don't sleep very well at all...have not for some time now.

    B

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    There is not such thing as Licensed Cross Breeder.
    Breeding is in fact very complicated thing that involves a lot of knowledge, hard work, time and money. Puppy mills don't do any of these, except make money in a most horrible way. I am sure you can find the breed that suits you beacuse there's thousands of them around, you just have to look, educate yourself, ask around and perhaps spend a bit more money. And anyway, no matter what breed or mix you get each of them has it's own personality anyway.
    Out of curiosity, what do you look in a dog, what do you want to think that none so far can meet your expectations?

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    Puppy Farming ?
    I had not heard of this terminology till reading this forum. But it does possibly answer why my 2nd Keeshond suffered from a condition from puppyhood that had us wondering.

    We bought ' Kosmo ' from a pet store at Capalaba. From memory, we paid about $600 for him. Right from the start, we had problems with Kosmo. To top that off, the entire litter at the store died 2 days after we bought Kosmo.
    Kosmo had no papers , so we set about getting papers for him only to find out the whole litter was not registered. My wife actually had to get the details of the breeder and then pay CCCQ to register the litter to obtain papers for Kosmo. We were'nt impressed at all with the 'so called' breeder.

    Right from the start, Kosmo seemed scared of many things, including when you went to pat or stroke him, he would cower away. Quite different to ' Keesie ', our first Keeshond who was very outgoing and loving from day 1.

    Now I think Kosmo must have been a victim of puppy farming and mistreated during his time there before we bought him.

    Over the years, he did become a very loving, loyal Dog whos only mean streak was a disliking of our cats, but in his final years, they did not worry him.

    Sadly, Kosmo died last May whilst we were overseas and so never got to see him again from the day we first left on our trip. He spent 3 nights at the Vets and died the night before we returned. We were very sad and upset ..

    Just when we thought 2008 could not get any worse, Keesie passed away during November. At least this time we were there to comfort her up to the end.
    2008 was not a good year.

    RIP Kosmo 1996-2008
    RIP Keesie 1994-2008
    You both will always be loved...
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    Well the moral of the story is: Do not buy pure breed dogs unless from registered breeder, and check them thoroughly before you pay any money.
    Window shopping is not a good way to buy a dog. If you want a dog that will be just your pet, go to a shelter and save a life. But if you want a certain breed, check around for registered breeders. Anyway, so called "pure breed without pedigree" is actually NOT pure. Dogs that are bread with no control over their ancestry, health and all that "fuss" that goes with proper breeding can not and aren't considered as pure any longer. In my opinion, people who breed outside of standards, without papers (pedigree), without breeding licence, without all the medical tests (hip dysplasia, retina, elbow dysplasia.... etc) are destroying all the hard work responsible breeders put in and slowly destroying a breed as such. If some of you think all that is stupid, a nonsense, maybe you should ask yourselves where do the health problems come from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fedra View Post
    Well the moral of the story is: Do not buy pure breed dogs unless from registered breeder, and check them thoroughly before you pay any money.
    Window shopping is not a good way to buy a dog. If you want a dog that will be just your pet, go to a shelter and save a life. But if you want a certain breed, check around for registered breeders. Anyway, so called "pure breed without pedigree" is actually NOT pure. Dogs that are bread with no control over their ancestry, health and all that "fuss" that goes with proper breeding can not and aren't considered as pure any longer. In my opinion, people who breed outside of standards, without papers (pedigree), without breeding licence, without all the medical tests (hip dysplasia, retina, elbow dysplasia.... etc) are destroying all the hard work responsible breeders put in and slowly destroying a breed as such. If some of you all that think it's stupid, a non sence, maybe you should ask yourselves where do the health problems come from.
    Yes, You are quite right... Our lesson is learnt !!

    It was an impulse buy at the time. I got caught like so many others..

    edit : But I think we did save his life as he quite likely would have ended up like the rest of the litter..
    Last edited by mitte; 02-05-2009 at 07:17 PM.

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