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    Hi,

    I'm new to this forum but I need a bit of advice..

    So I have four dogs - 1 Rhodesian Ridgeback, 1 Japanese Spitz, 1 Pomeranian and 1 Pomeranian X Maltese.

    The problem I'm having is with the Japanese Spitz - she barks at our neighbours and doesn't stop barking no matter what we do. The others are quiet most of the time except when those neighbours go outside but when they do start to bark they stop when we sternly say "No!" to them.

    Anyways it's really strange because she only ever barks at the neighbours on one side. I've seen the man out there holding a shovel over the fence and staring at them crazily and generally trying to tease her. They even have the nerve to have their son bring over his two dogs every week which make way more noise than any of our dogs but also sets our dogs off so we have to bring them inside.

    Anyways a couple of months ago we've been getting complaints about her from those neighbours - saying she barks all night (even though we bring all the dogs in at night) and general lies. They're threatening to contact the council unless we stop the barking - we tried everything to get her to stop - from citronella collars to asking a dog behaviourlist to assess her (the dog behaviourlist said that she is a very anxious dog) and they're trying to hint to us that we either debark her or get rid of her .

    I don't know what to do since they obviously have some vendetta against her and I think all the dogs sense it because they only bark at those neighbours.

    If they tell the council they can order for her to get de-barked and will fine us and I don't want that to happen so I'm thinking of just rehoming her as keeping our dogs inside is not an option for us.
    It's just awful that these neighbours want me to get rid of a dog I've had for 8 years and are sinking so low as to lie.

    Have I exhausted all other options or are there still some out there?

    Thank you.

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    i think the dogs trying to tell you something about those neighbours ....


    ha!

    does she get plenty of exercise? .. mine are more settled if they've had a nice long walk.
    it'd be a terrible thing to have to give her away....
    if you decided on that though , have you got any friends family so she could visit and vise versa ? x
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    Yes she gets lots of exercise I think, 1 hour walk in the morning and 1 hour walk in the evening as well as having a big yard with the other dogs to play around in. She doesn't really settle though lol, she's tired after the walk for about half an hour but then she's back to her old self.

    I don't want to give her away but I don't want to risk the council ordering us to debark her.. there isn't really any family or friends that can take her.

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    First of all, calm down, let them complain to council (I assume all your dogs are registered with your local council) - you may get a visit as a result, but the rangers will have to sit outside your home to record any barking, if the dogs are inside at night then YOU know it's not YOUR dogs barking. Council will ask the neighbours to keep a diary, if they say its during the night then you can tell council the dogs are in so it's either a lie or someone else's dogs.

    Start keeping a note of when the dogs bark and for how long - and especially if you see the neighbour aggravating them over the fence, make sure you have a camera on hand to take a photo, look at setting up a video camera that might show any activity coming from that neighbours side.

    If you get on with the other neighbours, go and speak with them, ask them if they have a problem with your dogs barking.

    Finally, call the council yourself and speak to a ranger, explain that the neighbours are aggravating your dogs, the dogs are in at night, explain what you have tried to do to rectify the problem and what can they suggest you do.

    I had a similar problem where I used to live, at the time all my dogs slept in my bedroom, yet someone complained they barked all night, it was a dog that lived a few houses away. The rangers came round, I invited them inside to meet the gang, and they realised it was just someone being nasty, in fact a few days later they asked me to rescue a dog that would have been put to sleep.

    Rangers will be a lot more reasonable if you try to work with them, and will give a lot more leeway if they know you are trying to work out any issues.

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    Spitz breeds are not reknowned for backing down if someone wants to stir themup.

    Can you crate her when she's not supervised?

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    Thanks for all the responses. I thought the council would just go by the neighbours word! Now calmed down hehe.

    I was just wondering, is it even right for the neighbours to complain about our dogs? They have their son bring his two dogs over (their son lives just down the street) and they let them into the backyard. Their dogs then dash to the fence and start crazily barking at our dogs, and then our dogs do the same back.

    At this point, the neighbours will usually come over and explain how "our dogs are really annoying them" and usually wrap up the conversation with "we will be getting the council involved soon."

    I think we should change this post to "Is there any way I can re-home my Neighbours?" lol


    What do you mean by crate?

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    The neighbours can certainly complain to council, they do have the right to, however council do have procedures they have to go through to verify the complaint.

    Your neighbours also have the right to allow their son's dogs to come visit, although under the circumstances I would not get involved in verbal discussion with them. If they were reasonable you might be able to suggest that when the son's dogs visit you bring your dogs inside and they do the same which would stop the barking frenzy, but I get the feeling that they wouldn't take kindly to it. Sadly it is down to YOU to control YOUR dogs, keep a note of when the son's dogs visit and what you do to control the situation, if council get involved then they will see that you have a diary or record of your actions.

    By crate it means putting your dog in a crate or cage - in other words somewhere quiet that your dog can settle and not bark.

    As I said in my previous post, speak to council, explain whats going in, note down who you speak to, when you spoke to them and what they suggested.

    Your neighbours are trying to bully you, don't let them, speak to council first, and try to implement any actions they suggest - THEN the next time the neighbours threaten council action it's up to you to whether you tell them you've already contacted them, but do NOT argue with them, no matter how frustrated you are always speak in a calm manner with them, tell them you are trying to sort things out, maybe even tell them you are "thinking" about installing a video camera to see WHEN the dogs are barking so you can work on it, that might be enough to stop them aggravating the dogs, they won't want to be caught on camera.

    Keep a record of every conversation you have with the neighbours, with council, etc, it will all help. You know that one of your dogs has a problem, sadly it falls to YOU to sort it out even if there is provocation. However, be very careful how you handle this.

    Speak to a ranger, they will be able to point you in the right direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreysAreGreat View Post
    The neighbours can certainly complain to council, they do have the right to, however council do have procedures they have to go through to verify the complaint.

    Your neighbours also have the right to allow their son's dogs to come visit, although under the circumstances I would not get involved in verbal discussion with them. If they were reasonable you might be able to suggest that when the son's dogs visit you bring your dogs inside and they do the same which would stop the barking frenzy, but I get the feeling that they wouldn't take kindly to it. Sadly it is down to YOU to control YOUR dogs, keep a note of when the son's dogs visit and what you do to control the situation, if council get involved then they will see that you have a diary or record of your actions.

    By crate it means putting your dog in a crate or cage - in other words somewhere quiet that your dog can settle and not bark.

    As I said in my previous post, speak to council, explain whats going in, note down who you speak to, when you spoke to them and what they suggested.

    Your neighbours are trying to bully you, don't let them, speak to council first, and try to implement any actions they suggest - THEN the next time the neighbours threaten council action it's up to you to whether you tell them you've already contacted them, but do NOT argue with them, no matter how frustrated you are always speak in a calm manner with them, tell them you are trying to sort things out, maybe even tell them you are "thinking" about installing a video camera to see WHEN the dogs are barking so you can work on it, that might be enough to stop them aggravating the dogs, they won't want to be caught on camera.

    Keep a record of every conversation you have with the neighbours, with council, etc, it will all help. You know that one of your dogs has a problem, sadly it falls to YOU to sort it out even if there is provocation. However, be very careful how you handle this.

    Speak to a ranger, they will be able to point you in the right direction.
    Excellent post! I agree with this plan of action 100%.

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    My very first dog was a Japanese Spitz, infact thats where Kimbastaff came from Kimba was my Jap Spitz... they are very independent dogs, and don't like being told what to do, and will usually make you think they are listening to you, when infact they are planning another attack...

    where does she fit into your pack, ie what position does she hold... top, bottom, middle.. I would imagine she could be top... if so you need take that position back for yourself... and it is very hard with all spitz breeds...

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    If my dog is barking at something on the other side of the fence, I have a pump up squirty bottle with water in it. She's barking, I say Uh Uh in a normal voice - not shouting and I aim for the bit of fence or something that will make a noise just near her and squirt. She gets distracted and stops barking. I tell her "good dog" in a high pitched happy voice, and I give her something else to do like chase the ball. If she's very persistent, I look over the fence by standing on a chair or milk crate or something to check, and decide what to do from there. Sometimes it's wattle birds or magpies in the fig tree. Sometimes it is a human picking figs. Sometimes it is a human up to no good (graffiti). No barking at wattle bird. Introduction for the human picking figs. And squirty bottle in the ear for the graffiti person - or not. Usually they clear off when you appear over the fence and tell them to rack off.

    My neighbours don't mind a dog that barks at humans up to no good in the laneway behind our houses.

    If I had problem neighbours - I'd keep a note book or computer file or both and write down times, dates and descriptions / records of what the problem is.

    Our council won't investigate any barking complaint unless the dog is barking continuously for more than 6 minutes in every hour. Requires some dedicated log taking to capture that.

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