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    The Breeder isn't the bad guy in all this.

    It's all good to say rehome it to a family without kids but unfortunately you cannot gaurantee this dog will never come into contact with a child. I am suprised that people think it would be ok for a rescue to rehome a dog that had bitten a child.
    For me there is no second chances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BULLYT View Post
    The Breeder isn't the bad guy in all this.

    It's all good to say rehome it to a family without kids but unfortunately you cannot gaurantee this dog will never come into contact with a child. I am suprised that people think it would be ok for a rescue to rehome a dog that had bitten a child.
    For me there is no second chances.
    I agree, I dont have kids but mine still on the rare occation come in contact with them when walking

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    I am not saying that the breeder is or was at fault. However they need to step up to the plate, as does the owners and it would have been preferable if it had of been worked on earlier.

    Perhaps the pup needs to be put down, perhaps it doesn't. Nobody on here knows the dogs history or the child's. We do not know what, if any, mitigating circumstances are involved in this.

    Yes the dog bit the child, but I'd like to know why?

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    The issue of what breed the dog is really doesn't matter whatsover IMHO. Certainly some dogs will do more devastating damage than other breeds, but having said that I do have scars from Chihuahuas!

    The only issue I see with rescue/rehoming is this: No matter where the dog is rehomed, who can guarantee that the dog will remain there for the rest of it's life, and not be passed on in some unfortunate circumstance into another family position? There are no guarantees.
    The other thing that concerns me is what I'm hearing lately (and just experienced) about a few rescue operations. Who can guarantee that this dog will be handled and rehomed into the correct environment for him?

    Pepsi, I hope you got some good input to take back to your friend and some facts and opinions for her to think about.

    All the best to your friend. Not an easy decision for her either way.

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    Hi all,

    Thank you all so much for your input, to clarify a couple of things... the breeder has been very good, he has helped put her in touch with a behaviour specialist and is helping pay for it, he has also suggested a trip to the vet for a proper check up.

    my friend knows that a lot of this is her fault, she bought the dog, she trained the dog, she let the dog get away with too much when she was at the end of her pregnancy and when she had an infant. So in no way does she blame the dog! just so we are clear!

    her husband works in roxby, so a lot of the time she has no help, 2 small children and a dog can be a handful for some one who has only ever had cats.

    her conundrum is if she rehomes, it will be with 100% disclosure but you can never be sure the dog wont come in contact with a child, at home or out at the park.

    at the moment the dog is living in the back yard and sleeping in the laundry, so the dog cannot come in contact with the kids, she is going to wait for the outcomes from the vet and the behaviour specialist and then make a decision.

    in the mean time she has another issue, her son is now showing fear of dogs, i can understand why, poor baby, She bought him to our place to spend some time with Pepsi last night and after a few minutes he was patting her and he has an appointment with a counsellor next week.

    again thank you for your thoughts, i will let you know what happens.

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    Well it sounds like she and all parties involved are doing everything they can to find the right outcome for this problem.

    I so hope her little fellow comes out of this okay, Pepsi. Thanks for clarifying too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cate0404 View Post
    I am not saying that the breeder is or was at fault. However they need to step up to the plate, as does the owners and it would have been preferable if it had of been worked on earlier.

    Perhaps the pup needs to be put down, perhaps it doesn't. Nobody on here knows the dogs history or the child's. We do not know what, if any, mitigating circumstances are involved in this.

    Yes the dog bit the child, but I'd like to know why?
    Reading the OP it seems the dogs not that great with kids and the owner doesn't seem to have done much to stomp on the behaviour when it first presented itself.

    It does appear the Breeder is helping but why should they have to take this dog and try to correct it's behaviour or pts. As dog owners it's great to have your Breeders support but they shouldn't have to shoulder the reponsibility everytime something goes wrong.

    The dogs bitten a child and regardless of breed it can still harm a child emotionally and physically. A childs wellbeing is first and foremost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne View Post
    If it were a particular bull breed I would be inclined to still talk of having it assessed, however, I would like the assesment to be even more thorough. Simply because some bull breeds are known for aggression, not neccessarily human aggression but no-one can deny facts.

    I am always amazed when people say it is not abreed thing and yet they will argue that xyz breed has certain characteristics common to its breed.

    In this case, and as it is aggression with a child and the breed is a Beagle, which to my knowledge, is not know for agression (I could be worng on that though) I would think it deserves a chance to be assessed to see if it was the environment and human behaviour that caused the problems.

    For those saying any dog that shows human agression should be put down, I think you need to take each case on its own merit. As an example, I have a Pug that turns feral with bones. He has attacked me and, if he could, he would have ripped my hand off! It is only for the fact that he doesn't have the jaw or teeth to do damage and I was quick to scruff him that he didn't actually break skin. I would never ever consider euth'ing him for this attack as he isn't what I would classify an agressive dog that is an incident waiting to happen.

    Nothing in life is balck and white. There are always shades of grey. Assessing the dog would determine what those shades of grey were.
    I have very little knowledge of Beagles, but have never come across or heard of them being naturally aggressive either.

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    No Anne your right and it's not all black and white. Personally for me I don't tolerate
    human aggression from any breed. Then again I don't allow my dogs or children to be in a situation where that might occur. Your example to me isn't human aggression but related to food. I wouldn't pts the dog in the situation you are talking about to me that's quite different to a dog grabbing a childs face and shaking. I imagine the dog you are talking about isn't fed by children.

    I would assess any situation before pts but like I have said the kids come before the dog. Maybe the fact my son has been bitten makes me more wary. Noting scarier than watching a supervised, unprovoked, well natured dog trying to give your 2 yr old a facelift!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PEPSI View Post
    A dear friend of mine bought a beagle, she got his from a breeder, met the parents and he was fully papered. About 3 weeks after she got him she discovered she was pregnant with baby no.2, no issue, beagles are suppose to be great family dogs. Baby no 1 had just turned 3!

    12 months later.....

    beagle has been to puppy school and obedience, but continued to challenge child for food, space on the couch etc. Every time this was noticed the dog was growled at and put out the back.

    a couple of weeks ago the now 4 yr old went to sit on the couch, the dog was already on the couch, when the child went to get on the couch the dog would block him. the dog also stole a teddy from the babies cot, my friend called her obedience trainer and discussed how to fix the issue. Then on the weekend the dog grabbed the 4yr olds face and shook. The child was sitting on the floor watching TV, he was sitting half asleep in his little lounge.

    fortunately the child only received some scratches and a nasty fright.

    but here is the issue...yes there is an issue....

    she has called the breeder and the breeder is not interested in taking him back because he has been fixed, she has contacted the RSPCA but was told if she is honest and tells them what happened the dog will be PTS, she would love to rehome him but is scared that next time he will really bite.

    any bright ideas???

    Many thanks

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    What an awful situation for your friend Pepsi, looks like they have some very difficult decisions to make. I hope they get somewhere with the behaviorist.

    I was rather dismayed at the reason the breeder will not take this dog back though. If i have read correctly, they refuse to take the dog because it has been de-sexed. So if it was entire, they would have taken him back? Why?
    Certainly not to breed from him if he has shown signs of aggression, I would hope.
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