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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleasanta View Post
    It's alright...we will not take Dora if it doesn't feel right...if you get my drift!

    It has to work for everybody...her, us and definitely our dogs here...they were here first and their lives will be turned upside down too.

    We do have a question for the carer (who is her vet too) and I wanted to run that by you, because it has been niggling away at Steve.

    Dora came in to the vet/carer with fractured legs the first time when she was 4 months old. The owner stated he didn't know how that had happened...she was in the backyard and it happened. NOW...if you had abused your dog to the point of fractured legs...would you pay for the surgery/treatments (which can be bloody expensive)...take her home just to do it again 2 months later...resulting in even more injury???
    I know of course you can not answer that...I was just brainstorming here.

    We will ask in details how these injuries happened...what was done...if there are any xrays for future reference etc.
    I'm sorry Cleas, I missed this. I thought the abuse had happened once, dog ended up at vets and taht was when she became a rescue dog.

    So owner PAID the bills? Or is that bill still owing?
    Then, same owner takes Dora back to the vets two months later with similar injuries? Is that what you are saying is the story you've been given?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate View Post
    I'm sorry Cleas, I missed this. I thought the abuse had happened once, dog ended up at vets and taht was when she became a rescue dog.

    So owner PAID the bills? Or is that bill still owing?
    Then, same owner takes Dora back to the vets two months later with similar injuries? Is that what you are saying is the story you've been given?
    yes...it happened twice...owner was given Dora back the first time after injuries were fixed, but not the second time around Don't know if the first bill is still outstanding with vet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleasanta View Post
    yes...it happened twice...owner was given Dora back the first time after injuries were fixed, but not the second time around Don't know if the first bill is still outstanding with vet!
    Hmmm, it does sound strange Cleas.
    Although, if I'm looking for a logical explanation, it coud be this:
    Dora goes to vet. Owner swears they don't know how this injury happened. Vet either believes them, or if suss cannot prove anything. So dog goes back to owner after recovering. If the bill was paid, subject was forgotten. Then dog turns up again. Suspicion cannot be ignored this time, 2nd time offers proof something is wrong. Vet takes dog. It is highly possible scenario.

    Other scenario - owner doesn't pay for first bill. 2nd time around, vet takes dog immediately.

    Could be a million other scenarios that are the entire truth. I honestly believe you will get the truth from the vet who is caring for the dog. I cannot see a vet lying for any reason or purpose to you.

    But YES, you certainly do have some questions for them!!!

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    Owner might not have had a choice if vet had said...either you pay for the treament or I will contact the police re animal abuse...who knows!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleasanta View Post
    Owner might not have had a choice if vet had said...either you pay for the treament or I will contact the police...who knows!!!
    Yep, that is possible too. Very possible. I don't think you'll know until Sunday when things become far more clear and obvious to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate View Post
    Hmmm, it does sound strange Cleas.
    Although, if I'm looking for a logical explanation, it coud be this:
    Dora goes to vet. Owner swears they don't know how this injury happened. Vet either believes them, or if suss cannot prove anything. So dog goes back to owner after recovering. If the bill was paid, subject was forgotten. Then dog turns up again. Suspicion cannot be ignored this time, 2nd time offers proof something is wrong. Vet takes dog. It is highly possible scenario.

    Other scenario - owner doesn't pay for first bill. 2nd time around, vet takes dog immediately.

    Could be a million other scenarios that are the entire truth. I honestly believe you will get the truth from the vet who is caring for the dog. I cannot see a vet lying for any reason or purpose to you.

    But YES, you certainly do have some questions for them!!!
    your explanantion sounds reasonable and logical!!! Thanx

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    We'll see...I hope Dora likes us and especially Steve (will bribe her with cheese...LOL). We will take our time there and not rush...this is a very important decision for Dora. If we are not 100% sure, we will ask if we can come back again a second time before we take her and will definitely ask for the first 2 weeks to be a trial here with us

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    The only problem with that scenario is that the vet does not have the legal right to keep the dog. Something has occured between the vet and owner. Some words, admission, something! Whatever that is, owner has walked away without a fight and allowed vet to keep dog. Who knows, maybe owner didn't want the dog?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleasanta View Post
    We'll see...I hope Dora likes us and especially Steve (will bribe her with cheese...LOL). We will take our time there and not rush...this is a very important decision for Dora. If we are not 100% sure, we will ask if we can come back again a second time before we take her and will definitely ask for the first 2 weeks to be a trial here with us
    Anne's point is VERY valid. Fits of anger are usually followed by extreme remorse. And if the owner did it, he's not going to own up to it is he? Who knows, maybe he didn't do it?

    Cleas, I honestly feel that EVERY rescue situation should be performed with a trial period in place. A lot of the rescue organisations do that as standard practice, don't they?

    Even a lot of breeders do that when they are selling an older puppy, or mature adult dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne View Post
    Yes, you would. Guilt, remorse, responsiblity, attention.

    It could be a child that did it to her and the parents felt obligated/horror/whatever.

    It could be a drunk in the family or a drug addict who gets violent and then they feel remorse, guilt or whatever and have her treated.

    It may be a family member who has an exploseive temper that they can not control and the pup is sadly in the firing line.

    It may be an attention seeking thing... similar to maunchausens by proxy (spelling?).

    It may be simply stupidity and poor care factor that enables the dog to injure itself.

    There could be any number of reasons as to what happens.
    I know...Steve is more suspicious of nature than I am, but questions that needs to be asked I guess

    I didn't think Munchausens by Proxy related to dogs, but I guess it could

    No matter what...I am glad the carer/vet had the guts to tell this guy...you are NOT getting her back!!! And I guess she would have to...she has a duty of care being a Vet )

    I guess it is hard to put yourself if the "owners" shoes...with a frame of mind like his...aarrgghhhhh. He would have had to sign over Dora, because the Vet owns her on paper.

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