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    Don't want to hijack the link but...

    Quote Originally Posted by mouseandchicken View Post

    I had show Kelpies for 20 years and only had one barker amongst them. Kelpies/borders/ACD can come in a couple of varieties from the working line, more eye, more bark, more bite, all rounder. I would consider my Kelpies quieter than my Setter.
    Quote Originally Posted by Angela's Gone Batty View Post
    That's fair enough

    Training is a beautiful thing.... Batty doesn't bark
    Loeka barks quite a bit. I'm trying to teach him "QUIET" but it's tough. He barks at strange things (e.g. branch falling off tree; OMFG I've never seen that lamp before!); he barks at his basketball; he sometimes barks at US although it's really rare; he barks at other dogs - so is his barking a rare trait or could that come from the Collie part?

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    In my opinion yes the barking could come from the Border Collie. I find that show Border Collies bark more than show Kelpie's.

    I kept approx. 7-9 kelpies on an old 1/4 acre suburban block. Of all the Kelpies I had only one that was a bit of a barker or as we would say a talker, she barked for attention, grunted etc. She could work stock but was rough.

    A lot of my friends have show Kelpies and live on the average suburban house block.

    My friends uncle has a sheep farm and he has working Kelpies. Some have lots of eye, some are barkers to push the sheep onto the trucks and the all rounders have a bit of both. His ideal dog is a combination of BC/Kelpie or Kelpie/ACD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mouseandchicken View Post
    In my opinion yes the barking could come from the Border Collie. I find that show Border Collies bark more than show Kelpie's.

    I kept approx. 7-9 kelpies on an old 1/4 acre suburban block. Of all the Kelpies I had only one that was a bit of a barker or as we would say a talker, she barked for attention, grunted etc. She could work stock but was rough.

    A lot of my friends have show Kelpies and live on the average suburban house block.

    My friends uncle has a sheep farm and he has working Kelpies. Some have lots of eye, some are barkers to push the sheep onto the trucks and the all rounders have a bit of both. His ideal dog is a combination of BC/Kelpie or Kelpie/ACD.
    Ahh, so the grunting may come from the kelpie side of Batty? That's good to know!

    With Batty the first few days he did bark at us when we weren't giving him attention. It didn't get him anywhere, I actually got up and left the room when he was barking for attention.

    If something scares him, I immediately take him over to show him that it's ok, except for the time that he decided to bolt out the door and up to the next door neighbours fence. Their dog scared the bejesus out of him and he hasn't left my side outdoors - or bolted out the door - since

    I find that by showing Batty what something is the next time he just looks at it and goes back to his own thing. He barks every once in a while now when he gets way over-excited, but I still do the same thing and I walk out of the room. I'm starting to teach him to 'whisper woof', so he can still bark but it's quiet.

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    ooh smart batty. Im pretty torn between a standard poodle and a BC. Both are beautiful dogs, but the BC appeals to me more, just based on their looks. Wha would be the pros and cons of each breed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boxerini View Post
    ooh smart batty. Im pretty torn between a standard poodle and a BC. Both are beautiful dogs, but the BC appeals to me more, just based on their looks. Wha would be the pros and cons of each breed?
    IMO BC's are better

    I love their looks, I love their temperment and their intelligence. Their size is perfect and they have less of a grooming requirement BUT there is still a fair bit of grooming needed for the long coats and it's lovely to see them all shiny after a lovely bath and brush.

    They are easy to train and pick up what they are doing so quickly. You have to start early with them if you get a puppy, and make sure that you do train with them daily to keep their minds active and away from anything they can destroy.

    As far as the dog to deter people goes, personally I think a BC is a bit more of a deterrent than a Std Poodle. This is only because most people would thing twice about approaching a BC that is barking etc than a poodle. Mind you this opinion comes from my VERY limited exposure to Standard Poodles and more experience with BC's.

    ETA:

    Pro's of a BC
    * Trainability
    * Grooming
    * Activity Levels
    * Mental Awareness

    Con's
    * Learn bad habits quickly and they set
    * Coats can get out of hand if you're not careful
    * Can get destructive if not using their energy for good things

    Again this is just my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela's Gone Batty View Post
    IMO BC's are better

    I love their looks, I love their temperment and their intelligence. Their size is perfect and they have less of a grooming requirement BUT there is still a fair bit of grooming needed for the long coats and it's lovely to see them all shiny after a lovely bath and brush.

    They are easy to train and pick up what they are doing so quickly. You have to start early with them if you get a puppy, and make sure that you do train with them daily to keep their minds active and away from anything they can destroy.

    As far as the dog to deter people goes, personally I think a BC is a bit more of a deterrent than a Std Poodle. This is only because most people would thing twice about approaching a BC that is barking etc than a poodle. Mind you this opinion comes from my VERY limited exposure to Standard Poodles and more experience with BC's.

    ETA:

    Pro's of a BC
    * Trainability
    * Grooming
    * Activity Levels
    * Mental Awareness

    Con's
    * Learn bad habits quickly and they set
    * Coats can get out of hand if you're not careful
    * Can get destructive if not using their energy for good things

    Again this is just my opinion.
    Good post Angela.
    To elaborate, Boxerini, the two breeds in your mind have two totally opposite grooming requirements.
    The BC needs no shaving etc, but does need to be brushed thoroughly and have it's coat taken care of on a regular basis. You also have the issue of moulting. If your dogs are outdoor dogs, fine, no probs, but if they are indoors, you have to take the vacuuming and their coat everywhere into consideration.
    With the SP you don't have any moulting at all, but you do have to consider their regular brushing, clipping and shaving routine. If you can't do this yourself safely, then it will get costly taking the SP to a professional groomer.
    Also bear in mind that the clipping/shaving techniques used for a SP are very different to a Maltese and other small breeds.

    I agree that the average BC gets very destructive should they get bored or be left alone for too long without something constructive to do. After all, they are very much a working dog.
    The SP is not so destructive at all, but isn't the sort of dog to be left in the back yard for long, either. They are very much a in-your-home-people-dog.

    I agree with Angela regarding the protection side of things. But it IS perception. Many people would shy away from a BC and not think twice about a SP. But it is simply that, a perception. Have no doubt the SP would protect, believe me. Probably because I know the breed I am very aware of what they can do if feeling threatened, just like any other dog.

    Overall, you ahve chosen to short-list to two very different breeds, I guess that's the hard part for you.
    Looking at everything you require from a dog, I would hazard a guess that the BC may turn out to be more suitable for you and your lifestyle at this time.

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