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    Definitions from my Encyclopedia of the Dog:

    American Staffordshire Terrier

    Breed History: Originally identical to the British Staffordshire Bull Terrier, the American was selectively bred for greater height and weight, and bulkier build. In 1936 it was recognised as a seperate breed.

    "Like it's close British relative, the American Staffordshire Terrier can be extremely gentle and affectionate with children and adults, and at the same time potentially lethal with other dogs.

    The breed has unusual strength for it's size, and all Amstaffs need early socialisation with other animals to ensure they do not follow their instinct to attack. The breed is almost always a loyal and obedient canine member of the family. It does, however, descend from bull biters and pit fighters, and still has the jaw power and tenacity to inflict horrible wounds."

    American Pit Bull Terrier

    Breed History: Throughout the world dogs have, at one time or another, been bred to fight. This breed descends from the Staffordshire Bull Terrier crossed with other fighting dogs, including the extinct fighting Bulldog.

    "Hysteria is now associated with this breeds name. Banned in Sweden, neutered, muzzled and microchip identified in Great Britain and prohibited from entering some areas of North America, the Pit Bull is as much a victim of the media as it is of it's historic breeding to fight other dogs. Some unscrupulous owners, taking advantage of its natural tenaciousness and strength, continue to use abusive training techniques to produce fighting Pit Bulls, willing to take on any animal and even humans. When trained from an early age to obey commands, the majority of the breed prove to be companionable even gregariously fawning dogs."

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    There's no difference other than what they were bred to do and how they were raised by their owners. Both related to Staffordshires, but one description says selected for greater height and strength and weight. The other says crossed with fighting dogs. How did the first description get the height and weight etc? I bet the exact same way
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    I don't mean to be argumentative, but in this book the two look quite different. One looks a bit more Boxerish in the head (the Pit Bull) while the Amstaff looks more like an English Stafford, but taller. The height and weight range is different, as well as the first use.

    Amstaff:

    First Use: Bull Baiting
    Weight: 18-23 kg
    Height: 43-48 cm

    Pit Bull:

    First Use: Dog Fighting
    Weight: 14-36 kg
    Height: 46-56 cm

    Maybe my book is inaccurate?

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    Not sure, when I compare images they all mix and max. You get some larger "Amstaffs" and smaller PB's and visa versa like with any breed.. they aren't all identical.

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    I'll scan and post what I have in front of me

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    pugger sorry mate but thats not an APBT it is a American Bully.

    I will find some pics of what a true APBT look like!

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    true APBT - Pure

    http://www.stillwaterkennelsupply.co...cs/Lilbit8.jpg

    General Appearance

    The American Pit Bull Terrier is a medium-sized, solidly built, short-coated dog with smooth, well-defined musculature. This breed is both powerful and athletic. The body is just slightly longer than tall, but bitches may be somewhat longer in body than dogs. The length of the front leg (measured from point of elbow to the ground) is approximately equal to one-half of the dog's height at the withers. The head is of medium length, with a broad, flat skull, and a wide, deep muzzle. Ears are small to medium in size, high set, and may be natural or cropped. The relatively short tail is set low, thick at the base and tapers to a point. The American Pit Bull Terrier comes in all colors and color patterns. This breed combines strength and athleticism with grace and agility and should never appear bulky or muscle-bound or fine-boned and rangy.
    Characteristics

    The essential characteristics of the American Pit Bull Terrier are strength, confidence, and zest for life. This breed is eager to please and brimming over with enthusiasm. APBTs make excellent family companions and have always been noted for their love of children. Because most APBTs exhibit some level of dog aggression and because of its powerful physique, the APBT requires an owner who will carefully socialize and obedience train the dog. The breed's natural agility makes it one of the most capable canine climbers so good fencing is a must for this breed. The APBT is not the best choice for a guard dog since they are extremely friendly, even with strangers. Aggressive behavior toward humans is uncharacteristic of the breed and highly undesirable. This breed does very well in performance events because of its high level of intelligence and its willingness to work.
    The American Pit Bull Terrier has always been capable of doing a wide variety of jobs so exaggerations or faults should be penalized in proportion to how much they interfere with the dog's versatility.

    American Staffordshire Terrier

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    The American Staffordshire Terrier should give an impression of great strength for his size. Well balanced, muscular yet agile, graceful in movement, is alive to his surroundings, with an excellent sense of smell and hearing. They can be any colour, solid or pied, but all white, more than 80% white, black and tan and liver are not encouraged.
    Height and weight should be in proportion. Males 46-48 cm (18 to 19in) at shoulder, Females 43-46cm (17 to 18in).

    The American Staffordshire Terrier is renowned for its reliability as a family dog, they are extremely lovable, loyal and devoted to their owners, with special emphasis on their reliability with children. Notwithstanding this, it must be understood that the American Staffordshire Terrier in most instances will fight when challenged by another dog.

    Staffordshire Bull Terrier

    http://www.dogzonline.com.au/images/...29110_1061.jpg

    The Staffordshire Bull Terrier was developed in the early 1800's to satisfy the desires of men involved in the sports of bull and bear baiting.
    He was refined over the years and came into his own after 1835, when the sport of dog fighting reached its peak. Dogs were selected for their fighting ability and not their beauty. A wide variety of sizes and weights abounded, ranging from small 12 pounders to heavyweights of 60 pounds or more. These dogs were known by many names:-m Bull Terriers, Pit-dogs, Bull-and-Terriers. Dogs were matched weight for weight in the pit in fights that sometimes lasted several hours. The courage, tenacity and skill required in such a canine gladiator is what earned the breed respect and admiration from its followers.

    Dogs were still being fought in the first half of the 20th century and it was not until 1935 when the Staffordshire Bull Terrier was officially given his name and recognition as a breed.

    GENERAL APPEARANCE: Smooth coated, well balanced, of great strength for its size. Muscular active and agile.
    CHARACTERISTICS: Traditionally of indomitable courage and tenacity. Highly intelligent and affectionate especially with children.
    TEMPERAMENT: Bold, fearless and totally reliable.

    American Bully

    http://www.ucadogs.com/images/sol_boy.jpg

    I cant find a standard for them...because they dont have one.

    But check out this site for more detail Bully: This, That & The Other Thing - American Bullies and 'bully style' Pit Bulls

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    Wow that are all quite different then hey!?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by puggerup View Post
    Wow that are all quite different then hey!?!?
    yeh but because of the names people get them mixed up! It drives me nuts when people think and REPEAT that APBT are these HUGE dogs when in fact they are generally smaller than an Am in height and build and smaller in build than an SBT!

    Dont even get me started on the American Bully

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