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    Angela, thanks for your input too and of course it was your club that used it in the advanced classes.

    Some of the instructors have started to use it in UD which is why I think it came up for discussion.

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    I think there is some video on youtube of the K9Force guys using leads and clickers to teach correct heeling position. The class was small, and they worked one dog at a time. I don't know whether the video is available from their website or by doing site specific searches of "that other dog forum".

    I used "you only get a treat when you're here" method. And a bit of back up and forwards until she was in the right spot - good - treat.

    I think it would be good to mix up clicker training with no clicker training ie do clicker for homework and not clicker in classes and it would be like practicing for competition classes where you can't have a clicker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mouseandchicken View Post
    Like the idea of it being used in the advanced classes, but then again why not get stuck into it earlier?? That's the million dollar question.
    We were all taught timing and bridge words first. The instructor didn't graduate everyone, only those that had their timing down pat.

    Quote Originally Posted by mouseandchicken View Post
    I can see benefits of the clicker and then I can see problems. As I said for those that have a little bit of dog know how or even just coordination with lead etc (which I'm surprised so many people don't) I think they will love it and so will the instructors. It's the rest of the people I'm worried about and of course those instructors that are dead against it.

    I watched the UD training on Wednesday night before the meeting and one instructor had a valid point. Her dog was distracted by another handler using the clicker albeit only a head turn from her dog.

    I'm on the fence with this one. I haven't used it on the dogs myself because I feel my voice is with me everywhere, but when I showed my SD how it worked and we used her pet rat both she and the rat got it in minutes. But then you're not juggling leads etc either.

    Will have to do more reading because I'm going round in circles. Thanks.
    With the dog turning it's head, isn't that just a sign that she needs to do more work on his/her focus? Just curious as that is the conclusion I would leap to if I were in that situation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    I think there is some video on youtube of the K9Force guys using leads and clickers to teach correct heeling position. The class was small, and they worked one dog at a time. I don't know whether the video is available from their website or by doing site specific searches of "that other dog forum".

    I used "you only get a treat when you're here" method. And a bit of back up and forwards until she was in the right spot - good - treat.

    I think it would be good to mix up clicker training with no clicker training ie do clicker for homework and not clicker in classes and it would be like practicing for competition classes where you can't have a clicker.
    Did you back up or did Frosty? I'm just curious as I haven't seen much work being done on heeling. I'm going through youtube videos on heeling at the moment, there are so many different methods!

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    As someone who has used clickers in class I personally think that they have little place in an obedience class most of the time.

    A clicker is designed to indicate the right behaviour and a normal obedience club class moves far too quickly - a voice is sufficient

    Clicker classes run very differently to normal classes IMO - theyre more relaxed, instructions are given and people have a chance to teach their dogs. Most things we do in an obedience class are not new.

    I guess I could use a clicker with Rufus to indicate when he does the right thing but that dog lives for praise - so why bother?

    Perhaps if i had a dog that was more food than voice motivated?

    They can be distraccting as they are a curiosity.

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    Heeling

    Forward with treat as a lure, held near my left hip. Stop, if she sits automatically in the right spot, her nose should be near my left hip and she gets the treat. If not, I back up, she follows, when she's up and moving, I go forwards, until she's lined up right and stop again. Footwork very important (theoretically - Frosty actually quite forgiving). Plant your right foot (opposite side to the dog) and bring your left foot up square to stop. Dog should then be sitting next to your left hip/knee. And treat.

    Initially - ie grade 1, students are allowed to use the word "sit" and nobody is too fussed about how exact the heel was. I mostly worked on keeping Frosty's attention, and ran a lot to do that. Run run run - (instructor calls halt) - walk, right foot, left foot, treat (or backwards forwards right foot left foot treat).

    Don't bark in my ear, Hound. Arggh. OK, what's she eating now that she shouldn't. Really need to go for walk now but want to wait till baseball training is over. Sigh.

    I actually used the clicker to get "watch me" right with Frosty and that's helped a lot in later classes and practice with and without the clicker. Click when Frosty is looking at me and not the treat, then treat. Do again. Wave the treat around to proof, add the words "watch me". Click when her eyes meet mine, not the treat.

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    The dog just flicked it's head and then was back to it's handler, it was only a second but it was enough to annoy the handler. Most people would be overjoyed to have a dog at the level this goldie was and of course had it been a trial then the clicker would not have been there.

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    I look for distractions these days to help "proof" Frosty. I'm currently doing battle with a couple of extremely stinky puddles at our local oval. I was winning today I think but failed to keep her from joining a labrador puppy in a less stinky but very muddy puddle on the opposite side of the oval. Black faced soggy doggy.

    Handler should have seen the other clicker as just one more proofing opportunity. There's no guarantee at a trial that a spectator won't have one.

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