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    Hi all!

    Since Mully has gone I have been having some issues with Bailey and Tyson.

    Its kind of a toss up to be honest. They seem to be a lot happier because they don't need to worry about being attacked now, I'm not going to lie and tell you all that her attacking Tyson or Bailey was the first incident - it wasn't, but it was the only time I have seen her do it for NO reason, NOT stop when told to and NOT stop when other dog submitted.

    Anyway they seem to be happier in that respect but Bailey is still so young and playful whereas Tyson just wants to sleep most of the time. So he tends to be snapping at her a lot when she tries to play with him.

    They seem to now be working out their "pecking order" so to speak and that's ok they just sort of snap and snarl but don't actually make contact, and someone always backs down.

    They have been snapping at each other mostly when either Bailey tries to play with him or when me and OH are showing them affection- we give them equal affection for eg. both petted at the same time, fed same time, share the same bed etc.

    Bailey is also being as arrogant as ever; simple commands she refuses to follow such as sit, stay, wait etc. Seem to be getting over this though as I am VERY persistent (she doesn't get what she wants until I get what I want)

    Im just wondering if anyone has any advice about how to stop this? The arrogance I can handle (with Bailey) but the dominance between them both is a bit harder.

    Also do you think they are both just grieving in their own ways?

    Cheers in advance x

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    Hi Anne...Thanks for the reply.

    I have started doing obedience training with Bailey again now and of course do my own training during the week however I cant seem to stop it!

    Its not a big issue (right now) except for the fact they have also been doing it around the kids, which of course I dont like. So therefore have been separating them when the kids are here - and then they just cry for each other ...... ARGH cant win!

    No one is interested in taking Tyson on (obedience wise) because of his age etc and he is as arrogant as all hell lol. very set in his ways.

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    I often wonder what would happen with the remaining dogs if something happened to Gemma. Although nothing like Mully she is still the boss. Would there be a bit of a tussle to see who wants to take up leadership within the pack? Would they be a bit unsettled, not grieving, but unsettled. Would they push things they hadn't before just that little bit more.

    I don't mean with me at all, I mean between themselves. I think you know Bailey is just being a pushy teenager and testing the limits of her humans.

    Am I right is Bailey a young dog and the other one older? Perhaps Bailey is just being a pushy young thing and the older dog is used to having to really stand it's ground against any affront by another dog.

    Ignore both dogs more, don't try to do the equal attention thing. I'm trying to find the right words to explain. It will come to me later or someone else may better explain it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mouseandchicken View Post
    I often wonder what would happen with the remaining dogs if something happened to Gemma. Although nothing like Mully she is still the boss. Would there be a bit of a tussle to see who wants to take up leadership within the pack? Would they be a bit unsettled, not grieving, but unsettled. Would they push things they hadn't before just that little bit more.

    I don't mean with me at all, I mean between themselves. I think you know Bailey is just being a pushy teenager and testing the limits of her humans.

    Am I right is Bailey a young dog and the other one older? Perhaps Bailey is just being a pushy young thing and the older dog is used to having to really stand it's ground against any affront by another dog.
    Yes Bailey is only young...she will be 2yo on the 31/06/2010 and Tyson is 10yo (have to ask brad when his birthday is?!)

    I definitely think Bailey is just pushing the limits to see if she can crack me....not a chance lol.

    I think they are both just....um......different!

    Although Mully turned nasty in the end...she was Baileys mum and Tyson's "mate" (so to speak) and she would play with Bailey and cuddle with Tyson.

    I truly think they miss her...but that is not necessarily what is causing these problems.

    I think your right about Tyson...he is used to having his guard up constantly .... when he snaps or snarls .....Bailey does it in return....because she is used to having her guard up all the time.

    I hope it all settles soon....anything I can do to reduce the chance of it becoming a major behavioural issue...possibly a permanent one?!

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    In the past when we've had pack issues I've found that implementing NILIF and a zero tolerance system worked wonders for us. They work for everything, especially affection, and they obey every command. Even a sly look is corrected. It's like a military boot camp. You may or may not agree with living like that, but that's what works for us. I've always found the forums over at Leerburg.com really helpful for pack related training issues. They really know their stuff.

    You have my email if you have any questions I'd be happy to help

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    i know what you mean wen max died ruby keep get out of her run at our old house to come and sleep by the door then she work out how to open the doggy door

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