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    Quote Originally Posted by amy86 View Post
    I asked the question about sleeping puppies. Of course I thought it was normal but I just wanted to double check! Hell after everyone telling me how stupid I was for buying my puppy from someone I honestly thought was a reputable seller (and still do tbh) and telling me my puppy was sick and had a skin condition I was PARANOID!!!

    I'm not pretending I know it all! FAR FAR from it! BUT I have done my research!!!!!!! I have spent the past 12 months reading up on breeds and puppies and watching training videos online! I still like to get real feedback about small and maybe silly Q's. I thought this was the place to come for that! Apparently I was wrong!!!
    Ok, A responsible, reputable seller would have done the following:

    1. You would have been to their home, met the puppies, met the mother and possibly the father, seen the conditions they grew up in and who they grew up around.

    2. Given advice on raising the puppy.

    3. The owner of the mother would have met you before you were allowed to take the puppy and would have interviewed you and possibly seen YOUR house to ensure a safe, happy environment for the puppy.

    4. Would have given you details of how and when to worm, along with recommendations of what products to use.

    5. Would have thoroughly explained what foods your puppy has been fed and should continue to be fed.

    6. Would have given you details of when to desex.

    7. Would have a support for life policy.

    8. Would not ever allow someone else to sell the puppies for them.

    9. Would not ever allow wash a baby puppy more frequently than once a month or fortnight.

    10. Would have explained grooming requirements for your breed - Yes your puppy will require grooming for it's entire life!

    And that's just for starters, there is SO much more that should go into it but that's all I can think of for the moment. If the person you bought your puppy from did all of this great they've been responsible.

    What you explained was someone else sold you the puppy on behalf of the owner of the mother (Same thing as a pet shop), gave you a bunch of stuff but not much guidance and didn't explain much of anything to you. You didn't meet the mother or father, you didn't see where the pup had been raised, you didn't get any support or guidance AT ALL, you weren't given details of how and when to worm, what to look for with issues, what genetic problems may occur etc.

    ETA: I kept my mouth shut before, but I felt the need to explain my position on this here. Oh, and the BIGGEST & MOST COMMON way of getting you to buy without you asking too many questions is to say "This is the last puppy left and if it doesn't go soon I will have to have it put to sleep" OR "This is the last puppy left, it is the runt and is a little bit sick and may need to be put to sleep" or something similar/along those lines.

    Amy, I don't want to upset you, but this is why we have all said Puppy Mill/Farmer about your puppy. I hope this clears it up, although in your time here you did have this explained to you as well. You were told what to look for and what to avoid and you ignored the advice you were given. That is not our fault, we just gave you the advice you asked for. It was your choice to ignore it and just get a puppy as quickly as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amy86 View Post
    I asked the question about sleeping puppies. Of course I thought it was normal but I just wanted to double check! Hell after everyone telling me how stupid I was for buying my puppy from someone I honestly thought was a reputable seller (and still do tbh) and telling me my puppy was sick and had a skin condition I was PARANOID!!!

    I'm not pretending I know it all! FAR FAR from it! BUT I have done my research!!!!!!! I have spent the past 12 months reading up on breeds and puppies and watching training videos online! I still like to get real feedback about small and maybe silly Q's. I thought this was the place to come for that! Apparently I was wrong!!!
    *sigh* Amy86, perhaps it would be a good idea to stop your focus on being so defensive and start listening!!

    Fact is, a wormy pup is a sickly pup, and a pup with skin irritation is one whose immune system is not working properly. No Q is silly, but you will get different views from different people, at the end of the day it is all about what works for you, so you pick and choose what avenue you wish to take once you have options.

    With all the experience we have as individuals and collective, we still have our own issues. Mine atm is dealing with my own dog who has recently been diognosed with epilepsy, something which I have absolutely no experience with and without the impute of others on this forum, I would be flapping around in the wind. But with the collective experiences I have gained from this forum, I have heaps of Q's I want my vet to answer! In life, whether it is human medical, canine medical, legal, or whatever, it is vitally important we realise that we are our own "case manager". In essense, I mean gather ALL information available and fire your Q's at the specialist in this case being the vet.

    Try to see past anything you take personally and realise why you are posting on this forum, and that is for the good of your puppy.
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    AGB, re your first post, I totally agree with you, I want to tear my hair out sometimes, and then strangle the idiots!

    I am so pleased that I have the room here for the dogs to run around, no more worrying about whether morons and their dogs are on the loose in my street.

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    An excellent post Shar.

    That is it in a nut shell; gather the info and fire it at the vet, rather than walk out and think later I should of asked this or that.

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    the owner leash in hand because they've let the dog off leash while walking it WITHOUT reliable recall, WITHOUT any control and the dog pays for it. WHY ISN'T THE OWNER HELD RESPONSIBLE? Fact is if the dog had been on leash the attack would NOT have happened!
    Well we walk Boss off the lead all the time. Im lucky in the town i live in that we have 45ha to exercise him and also we live next door to it. If we come across another dog we put boss on the lead or walk to another way.

    Yes there is bad dog owners but if everything was perfect the world would be boring as hell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela's Gone Batty View Post
    Ok, A responsible, reputable seller would have done the following:

    1. You would have been to their home, met the puppies, met the mother and possibly the father, seen the conditions they grew up in and who they grew up around.

    2. Given advice on raising the puppy.

    3. The owner of the mother would have met you before you were allowed to take the puppy and would have interviewed you and possibly seen YOUR house to ensure a safe, happy environment for the puppy.

    4. Would have given you details of how and when to worm, along with recommendations of what products to use.

    5. Would have thoroughly explained what foods your puppy has been fed and should continue to be fed.

    6. Would have given you details of when to desex.

    7. Would have a support for life policy.

    8. Would not ever allow someone else to sell the puppies for them.

    9. Would not ever allow wash a baby puppy more frequently than once a month or fortnight.

    10. Would have explained grooming requirements for your breed - Yes your puppy will require grooming for it's entire life!

    And that's just for starters, there is SO much more that should go into it but that's all I can think of for the moment. If the person you bought your puppy from did all of this great they've been responsible.

    What you explained was someone else sold you the puppy on behalf of the owner of the mother (Same thing as a pet shop), gave you a bunch of stuff but not much guidance and didn't explain much of anything to you. You didn't meet the mother or father, you didn't see where the pup had been raised, you didn't get any support or guidance AT ALL, you weren't given details of how and when to worm, what to look for with issues, what genetic problems may occur etc.

    ETA: I kept my mouth shut before, but I felt the need to explain my position on this here. Oh, and the BIGGEST & MOST COMMON way of getting you to buy without you asking too many questions is to say "This is the last puppy left and if it doesn't go soon I will have to have it put to sleep" OR "This is the last puppy left, it is the runt and is a little bit sick and may need to be put to sleep" or something similar/along those lines.

    Amy, I don't want to upset you, but this is why we have all said Puppy Mill/Farmer about your puppy. I hope this clears it up, although in your time here you did have this explained to you as well. You were told what to look for and what to avoid and you ignored the advice you were given. That is not our fault, we just gave you the advice you asked for. It was your choice to ignore it and just get a puppy as quickly as possible.
    It frustrates me that I am being accused of not listening to your advice. I DID listen to the advice given. I DID see the home the puppy grew up in and met 2 of the other puppies from her litter. The rest were sold already. I WAS given advice on how to raise the puppy! I WAS given info about when to worm her and what medicine to use! I WAS given information about when to get her desexed! She talked about genetic problems that occur with the breed and said that the vet had checked for these and found none. She didn't do everything on your list but she did some. This women was crying as we drove away she honestly loved the puppies she had hand raised.

    I took the info I was given here into consideration and honestly thought I was doing the right thing!

    Quote Originally Posted by Shar Pei Rescue Victoria View Post
    *sigh* Amy86, perhaps it would be a good idea to stop your focus on being so defensive and start listening!!

    Fact is, a wormy pup is a sickly pup, and a pup with skin irritation is one whose immune system is not working properly. No Q is silly, but you will get different views from different people, at the end of the day it is all about what works for you, so you pick and choose what avenue you wish to take once you have options.

    With all the experience we have as individuals and collective, we still have our own issues. Mine atm is dealing with my own dog who has recently been diognosed with epilepsy, something which I have absolutely no experience with and without the impute of others on this forum, I would be flapping around in the wind. But with the collective experiences I have gained from this forum, I have heaps of Q's I want my vet to answer! In life, whether it is human medical, canine medical, legal, or whatever, it is vitally important we realise that we are our own "case manager". In essense, I mean gather ALL information available and fire your Q's at the specialist in this case being the vet.

    Try to see past anything you take personally and realise why you are posting on this forum, and that is for the good of your puppy.
    That is what I am trying to explain though! I am posting here to make sure I do the best for my puppy! But its not so easy to just look past the personal stuff! Some of the things said on here have made me feel sick to my stomach, literally, I have had those horrible butterfly want to throw up feelings of guilt!

    I worry that the vet I go to will not be the best one in my city. I worry that this will impact on the care my pup recieves. I want the BEST for her! I am not an irresponsible owner!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peta23 View Post
    Well we walk Boss off the lead all the time. Im lucky in the town i live in that we have 45ha to exercise him and also we live next door to it. If we come across another dog we put boss on the lead or walk to another way.

    Yes there is bad dog owners but if everything was perfect the world would be boring as hell
    I'm not referring to people such as yourself, who have trained a reliable recall so when you see another dog or person your dog is under control.

    I'm referring to the ones who let the dog off the leash and ignore it.

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    Amy, don't be afraid to ask questions - you may not always like the responses but we will always try to offer advice.

    Look, I know we have given you a hard time (I'll include myself in that too), I for one have decided to back off, you have your puppy and it's now time to move forward.

    Plus I think back to around 10 years ago when I knew nothing about many of the issues being raised on here, like puppy mills, byb's etc. It was getting involved with rescue that I had a very steep learning curve in a very short period. I was so naive! NOW I am very passionate about what I do, just as most on here are, and maybe one day you will fully appreciate WHY we feel like we do.

    You know what, we may still fee annoyed with HOW you came to get pup, but at the end of the day we still care about the puppy and will try to help with any problems. Please don't be afraid to ask questions, we will try to guide you in the right direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amy86 View Post
    It frustrates me that I am being accused of not listening to your advice. I DID listen to the advice given. I DID see the home the puppy grew up in and met 2 of the other puppies from her litter. The rest were sold already. I WAS given advice on how to raise the puppy! I WAS given info about when to worm her and what medicine to use! I WAS given information about when to get her desexed! She talked about genetic problems that occur with the breed and said that the vet had checked for these and found none. She didn't do everything on your list but she did some. This women was crying as we drove away she honestly loved the puppies she had hand raised.

    I took the info I was given here into consideration and honestly thought I was doing the right thing!

    That is what I am trying to explain though! I am posting here to make sure I do the best for my puppy! But its not so easy to just look past the personal stuff! Some of the things said on here have made me feel sick to my stomach, literally, I have had those horrible butterfly want to throw up feelings of guilt!

    I worry that the vet I go to will not be the best one in my city. I worry that this will impact on the care my pup recieves. I want the BEST for her! I am not an irresponsible owner!
    I'm not having a go at you or saying YOU are irresponsible at all. The people who sold you the puppy were/are irresponsible. Your words were that you found her through a Google search and you were emailed pictures of her mum and dad.

    I can completely understand being so worried about your puppy, I've asked my fair share of stupid questions too, and I don't criticise anyone for any of their questions. Yes more research is always needed. I've fostered dogs for years yet Batty is my first ever puppy, I have tonnes of questions on a daily basis.

    I think it is wonderful that you have your beautiful little girl and I am sure you are incredibly proud of her. Please keep asking questions, but always remember yes we are relatively experienced, but we cannot diagnose medical problems over the internet, nor are many of us vets.

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    i cant judge you amy, because things so sound different and exaggerated when typed up online, you've done your research, you seem like a great mother for the pup and i can see your reading all the advice your getting.

    how can i judge her for buying that puppy? ..... this is certainly not everyones way of thinking, but we need to see the positive, if she didnt, someone else would and they may have even been irresponsible and little poppy may have ended up in the pound. ..i dont think i can say that she is encouraging the BYBs , cause that puppy was getting sold one way or another....... if one person refuses to contribute the the byb industry there a a hell of alot of other people who are jumping at the chance to buy the pups.... its a bigger thing.......

    im glad that this pup has found a lovely home, and from what I've heard about their hereditary diseases, there would be alot of novice owners who arnt taking proper care of them...and after the questions amy's asked, i think she really cares about the health of the pup and it will live a long, hopefully, happy life.

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