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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    oops litters sometimes happen on the first heat when the bitch is only 6 months old - and a lot of people here advocate waiting till the dog is over 6 months before getting it desexed - you can't have it both ways.

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    ummm sorry but that not an oops thats cruelty... really if you want your bitch to have her first seaon, be responsible... its not that hard... I think some people use it as an excuse...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beau View Post

    I do also think some purebreeds should be re evaluated and bred for something other than the show ring in mind. Many are, it's undeniable.
    not really sure what you mean by this, but do agree that just because a dog is pure bred doesnt mean it should be bred from...
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    If you took the dogs away from every owner with no clue or a bad case of procrastination - I think you could lose nearly 75% of dog owners including those that become good dog owners. They would never get a chance to learn to do better by their animals.

    I agree that bitches should not be having pups at 6 months, but owners that believe people who tell them (and it's happened in here) that their bitch won't go on heat before 12 to 18 months or they should have one season before being desexed, can get into trouble. And I've even read here that it can be hard to tell when a bitch is on heat, especially if there are no other dogs at home with her.

    Fortunately for me, Frosty is desexed, but I also learned a long time ago - about putting a dog on the pill so it can't get pregnant (or have a messy season). There's people who don't know things like that.

    I just wouldn't generalise about accidental litters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie Floyd View Post
    I'll 2nd your thoughts BULLYT

    opps litters are no excuse at all, wouldn't happen if dog owners did the bloody responsible thing & DESEXED their dogs in the 1st place
    Some breeders keep more than one breed AF. Some breeders even have neighbours who have different breeds - and dogs can occasionally outwit the best containment and fences. So oops litters do happen.

    If breeders desexed all their dogs where would those breeds be in ten years time? This is what PETA would like, but I'm sure that lots of other folks would like breeds to continue.

    I had one once where a bitch smashed an 8 foot solid timber gate which had been there for years, and contained many many keen to get out dogs. She was given injections after the event and still hung onto three puppies. So instead of the bucket of water at birth that many people would normally have on hand for such occasions we raised the crossbred pups, desexed tham and found them homes.

    It is an expensive lesson to learn, but no matter what blanket statements are made, dogs are dogs and the will to breed is stronger than some people can imagine.

    Accidental litters will always happen, and because they are rare events, those crossbred pups would always find pet homes. But because the pet home market is flooded with deliberately cross bred pups it changes things.

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    Here, here Natty.

    Exactly, limit the amount of un-desexed animals and you automatically limit the chances of Oops litters.

    I help out at a rescue and the majority of dogs that come in there have not been desexed and they are not microchipped.

    Responsible intelligent people know they should de-sex their animal and the rest just don't give a stuff. When that one wonders off, never to be seen again they just get a new one. I also bet most of them don't worm or vaccinate their dogs either and the majority of them certainly don't wash or groom their dogs

    To this type of person they are just a thing they buy. When it's no longer cute or whatever it is no longer of interest to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
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    If you took the dogs away from every owner with no clue or a bad case of procrastination - I think you could lose nearly 75% of dog owners including those that become good dog owners. They would never get a chance to learn to do better by their animals.

    I agree that bitches should not be having pups at 6 months, but owners that believe people who tell them (and it's happened in here) that their bitch won't go on heat before 12 to 18 months or they should have one season before being desexed, can get into trouble. And I've even read here that it can be hard to tell when a bitch is on heat, especially if there are no other dogs at home with her.

    Fortunately for me, Frosty is desexed, but I also learned a long time ago - about putting a dog on the pill so it can't get pregnant (or have a messy season). There's people who don't know things like that.

    I just wouldn't generalise about accidental litters.
    A couple of things -

    I never said or suggested to take dogs away, I believe every home should have a dog or two...

    I've never heard of anyone who can't tell their bitch is in season or not.. I have heard of silent season's but that's different again... there are several signs leading up to a bitch coming into season... least of all the dripping of blood..

    I've also never heard about putting a female dog on the pill... you can have your male chemically sterilized which will last about 6 months at a time...

    lastly I didnt generalize about oops litters, my comment was about an ooops litter on a 6 month old.... that imo is cruelty.... I realise that mistakes do happen... but would hope that at that age they would be very few and far between... (I've also never had one my girls come into season that early anyway.. mine usually come in between 8 and 9 months the first time)

    Hope this doesnt come across harsh, not my intention... I am not the best at relaying what I want to say in text...
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    wow this is really getting heated!!!

    from my experience! This is the first cross i have ever known, i am not truely sure what she is, she come from the RSPCA, she was sold as a spoodle but she is smaller than most. She is a lovely dog, very calm and with a sweet nature.

    If you buy from a reputable breeder you have a good chance of knowing what you are going to get especially size and temper.

    i will never breed or show dogs, so i usually go to the pound or local rescue when i am looking for another dog, often in rescues you are not guaranteed of what you will get but you usually get ongoing support.

    what i disagree with is pet shops selling dogs! Often the pet shop is run by people who like animals but know very little about them, they know nothing about their history or health and their primary concern is turning over stock! They dont care about the long term well being of the pup, they just care about how much they make and how much it costs them to have the pups in the store.

    In the past few years i have noticed a lot of visiting students buying a pup, they keep it for a couple of years then dump them when it is not cute or when they have finished studying and it is time to go home! In the Adelaide CBD, there is a huge jump in the number of dogs collected between October and January, and that just sucks!

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    we have 2 crosses in our house , and 2.....well they're border collies but i don't know their pedigree ....

    so we're not really a purebred house...
    the only purebred animals we have would be......the horses! cows and chickens!
    haha =)
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    I would like to see desexing become either free or cheap enough so that it is affordable for everybody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BULLYT View Post
    I would like to see desexing become either free or cheap enough so that it is affordable for everybody.
    So close to the crunch of it it's not funny.

    For the average pet owner, desexing of a dog is NOT cheap. Many ppl put it off till next pay, then next pay, and so forth...and the operation never happens. Then it's too late as half of the owners have no bloody idea what is 'wrong' when their bitch is in season.

    Some breeders are now incorporating the cost of de-sexing into their original puppy purchase price. Once the dog/bitch is of de-sexable age, the owner can provide proof to the breeder for a refund of a stipulated amount.
    IMO this is a great way to entice ppl to de-sex!!!

    I'm not just talking about responsible registered breeders either. If EVERY breeder everywhere, no matter what their breeding circumstances did this, we would be so much further along the road to curbing unwanted pregnancies.

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