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    If the stats are showing a particular breed to be dangerous in America then what would make you think it would be any different in Australia. The breed we are talking about i assume came directly from America. Sure they have more of the breed but they also have more than 10 times our population.
    Personally i agree with bsl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleasanta View Post
    SBTs are not under the Breed Specific Legislations.....yet, but I fear for the day when it happens.

    Does it have a place in our society...sorry to say this, but I think it does. It think it is needed to try and eliminate badly bred specimens. For example...you can own and enjoy an American Staffordshire Terrier if it comes from a registered breeder and it is on papers, but it is illegal to own an unregistered one. I fully understand this, because BYB do not do the necessary health/temperament testing. This is not just about AmStaffs/Pitt Bulls...the same goes for SBT's in my opinion. Badly bred SBT's with health/temperament issues should be under BSL and have no place in our society.

    I know...some registered breeders do NOT do the right thing either, but we have to start somewhere.

    What I don't like is the generalisation of certain breeds, but what do you do? Irresponsible breeders and DEFINITELY owners give certain breeds a very bad name. The breed pays the price for it.

    The thing is...people scream blue murder regarding BSL, but think about it...is there some reasoning to the "madness"? Could it just be that there are too many "dangerous" and badly bred dogs in our society...dogs with massive amounts of behavioural and health issues.

    The legislation doesn't stop you from owning an AmStaff...it just legislates that it must be a registered AmStaff. This way it is possible to backtrack behavioural issues...health issues etc etc.
    Sorry! I was supposed to say crosses that are close in appearance and I'm wrong about that too - it's crosses or offspring of the Pit Bull - My sincerest apologies for that to everyone. But there is also the Dogo Argentino, the Fila Brasilero and the Japanese Tosa. I'm fairly sure there is one other, but someone else will have to confirm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela's Gone Batty View Post
    Sorry! I was supposed to say crosses that are close in appearance and I'm wrong about that too - it's crosses or offspring of the Pit Bull - My sincerest apologies for that to everyone. But there is also the Dogo Argentino, the Fila Brasilero and the Japanese Tosa. I'm fairly sure there is one other, but someone else will have to confirm.
    The other one is Presa Canario according to my local council registration form.

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    The BSL doesn't eliminate anything. There is no place for it.
    If you ban something - anything - it will just be sent underground.
    Do you really think Pit Bull fighters give a crap about the BSL? No, and these are the dogs that kill.
    Owners like ChoppaChop, they DO give a crap abou the BSL. They do everything 'correctly'. These are the dogs most likely to never hurt a fly. Just like any, other, breed.
    The Rotti and GSD are no angel in the eyes of the media. Do you wanna know how many people I have met that love the GSD as a status symbol(sp?).
    How many snappy Chihuahuas have I met? Plenty! But if that little think has a go, its not going to do the damage like a Pit would.
    Its all in the size of the dog.
    If Golden Retrievers were a 'tough' looking dog. The wrong people would be owning them, and turning them 'bad'.

    I hope this makes sense. I might have been rambling a little.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiemyf7 View Post
    The BSL doesn't eliminate anything. There is no place for it.
    If you ban something - anything - it will just be sent underground.
    Do you really think Pit Bull fighters give a crap about the BSL? No, and these are the dogs that kill.
    Owners like ChoppaChop, they DO give a crap abou the BSL. They do everything 'correctly'. These are the dogs most likely to never hurt a fly. Just like any, other, breed.
    The Rotti and GSD are no angel in the eyes of the media. Do you wanna know how many people I have met that love the GSD as a status symbol(sp?).
    How many snappy Chihuahuas have I met? Plenty! But if that little think has a go, its not going to do the damage like a Pit would.
    Its all in the size of the dog.
    If Golden Retrievers were a 'tough' looking dog. The wrong people would be owning them, and turning them 'bad'.

    I hope this makes sense. I might have been rambling a little.
    Perhaps this is because due to BSL, it's more important the good breeders put in extra effort?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disneygotpierced View Post
    Perhaps this is because due to BSL, it's more important the good breeders put in extra effort?
    Except I don't see the point of it. The 'good' owners will always do the right thing, BSL or not. The 'bad' owners will always do the wrong thing, BSL or not.
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    look...I have deleted my post regarding my BSL views. Reason for this is due to have a discussion with hubby.

    I don't think you can call it BREED specific legislation. You are allowed to own and breed a registered AmStaff, but not an unregistered AmStaff. Therefore I don't think it can be called BREED specific IMO. It can be called registered versus unregistered in certain breeds.

    Do I still think that certain unregistered breeds should not be bred from....OH YES!

    If BSL was actually working...then there is an arguement. But people still breed with unregistered dogs/bitches of restricted breeds.

    Would a dog license work...I don't know. Just because you have a car license...doesn't mean you are a responsible driver.

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    Correct me if im wrong, but wasn't the Shar Pei originally bred as a chinese fighter?
    They don't look super scary to me, so they arn't big status boosters for those toughies. IMO anyway...
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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiemyf7 View Post
    The BSL doesn't eliminate anything. There is no place for it.
    If you ban something - anything - it will just be sent underground.
    Do you really think Pit Bull fighters give a crap about the BSL? No, and these are the dogs that kill.
    Owners like ChoppaChop, they DO give a crap abou the BSL. They do everything 'correctly'. These are the dogs most likely to never hurt a fly. Just like any, other, breed.
    The Rotti and GSD are no angel in the eyes of the media. Do you wanna know how many people I have met that love the GSD as a status symbol(sp?).
    How many snappy Chihuahuas have I met? Plenty! But if that little think has a go, its not going to do the damage like a Pit would.
    Its all in the size of the dog.
    If Golden Retrievers were a 'tough' looking dog. The wrong people would be owning them, and turning them 'bad'.

    I hope this makes sense. I might have been rambling a little.
    No i dont think Pitbull fighters would give a crap about BSL thats for sure. But then they are part of the reason it exists. At least with having the BSL it gives rangers/police etc more power when raiding these fights and organisers homes.
    Without the BSL they could be breeding them in the back yard next door to you or me. How do you distinguish between a pit fighter and a pet?
    As for going underground well what can anyone do about that? No to much other than to make it harder for them to carry on.

    As for golden retrievers they were bred exclusively for fighting, were they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter70 View Post
    No i dont think Pitbull fighters would give a crap about BSL thats for sure. But then they are part of the reason it exists. At least with having the BSL it gives rangers/police etc more power when raiding these fights and organisers homes.
    Without the BSL they could be breeding them in the back yard next door to you or me. How do you distinguish between a pit fighter and a pet?
    As for going underground well what can anyone do about that? No to much other than to make it harder for them to carry on.

    As for golden retrievers they were bred exclusively for fighting, were they?
    Peter, the Golden Retrievers statement was purely an analogy.

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