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    Quote Originally Posted by Disneygotpierced View Post
    I've seen this brought up in a number of threads and I wanted to view peoples opinions on it.

    When referring specifically to designer dogs, do you believe it is a person's right to choose if they want a designer crossbreed or do you believe purebred dogs who are up to the breed standard should be bred and kept as pets?

    everyone should have choice,those that dont want choice should go live in communist china and be told what they can and cant do..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beau View Post
    everyone should have choice,those that dont want choice should go live in communist china and be told what they can and cant do..
    Totally agree.

    Any posts made under the name of Di_dee1 one can be used by anyone as I do not give a rats.

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    Oh, throughout all this I forgot to post my opinion lol.

    I believe that everybody has the right to choose (of course they do, as Beau said, we're not commies.) But I don't believe in byb. If there were someway people who breed *only* schnoodles or whatever could have their own registry, and fall under the same guides of animal treatment, and breed their mixes in a safe, reliable way (health testing, no inbreeding etc) I think that would really help

    I also think byb should be illegal.

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    I think there are enough breeds out there for people to choose from. Ethical breeders strive to keep to type and temperament so that people know what they are getting. They screen for hereditary problems etc etc.

    Screening is expensive so if you combine two breeds ethically you would screen for problems on both sides - very expensive.

    People believe that a hybrid strengthens the final outcome but I don't see evidence of this. Look at all the weak pasterns (little dogs with Charlie Chaplin front legs), poor bites, coats working against each other etc.

    Then of course the obvious stands out. Why is it generally the cute breeds that are crossed?? My answer is money.

    Just my thoughts.

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    Ok, I’m pretty sure we’ve covered this before and I don’t want to start another argument but I will give my opinion again, I think my actual point got lost in all the arguments last time. Bear in mind it is just that, my opinion.

    I do not have anything against the idea of crossbreeding I do, however, have a problem with how it is done. The majority of the time it is done with money in mind as people have already suggested, and too often the ‘designer dogs’ are coming from puppy farms. Not all, but too many.

    I’m not entirely sure when a crossbreed becomes a ‘designer crossbreed’ maybe someone could help me with that. Staffie x, kelpie x, acd x seem to be a dime a dozen, at the pound, are these considered ‘designer dogs?’ Or are these more likely to be BYBred. I guess it is up to people’s interpretation of the word and not that important.

    For any newbies out there who don’t know I have a ‘designer dog.’ She is a Golden Retriever x Samoyed. (sorry I know most of you know this) and I strongly suspect she came from a puppy farm. The idea of this makes me physically sick. I did not know about puppy farms at the time and would not, under any circumstances, buy another dog off the internet. She is, however, a delightful dog. Well natured, beautiful, not all that bright but a really good family pet. In the other discussion I noticed a lot of people (even those vehemently against the idea of crossbreeding) said some of the best dogs they have ever had were crossbreeds (rescues obviously). At the time, I found this rather ironic.

    As I said before, if it was done responsibly, ie health/temperament testing, only crossing similar sized dogs, responsible homes found for all of the puppies, basically what good registered breeders do now, just crossing the breeds, then I do not think there is a problem. I do not know much about health testing so please correct me if I’m wrong but you have to health test both Dam and Sire so I do not understand why it would be more expensive if they were different breeds.

    So in answer to you original question Disney, Yes we should be able to chose but we should also be able to chose a crossbreed that has been bred responsibly. At the moment that is, mostly, not the case
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tkay View Post
    I do not have anything against the idea of crossbreeding I do, however, have a problem with how it is done. The majority of the time it is done with money in mind as people have already suggested, and too often the ‘designer dogs’ are coming from puppy farms. Not all, but too many.
    I agree with this. Ziggy is from the pound and is a crossbreed. I would never ever buy a designer dog from a byb or the paper or whatever and have no respect for people who do, because at the moment it is almost impossible to find one that has been breed responsibly. Tkay I agree with you that it would be ok if done properly but I don't know if this will ever happen.

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    I think thats a top post Tkay, I give you reps for that

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    Same here Beau, fantastic post.

    P.S. Tkay, as I said when I first arrived, Jenna is STUNNING!

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    Thanks Guys

    Tina, sadly, I tend to agree with you. It probably will never happen
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    Health testing and screening is carried out on both parents and are usually done for the known or likely health problems of that breed. If you introduce another breed they may have different possible hereditary health problems that would need to be tested.

    Which would mean perhaps double the testing and double the problems. This costs money which in turn means that you must ask a high price for the puppy which I think, and again I say only my opinion it will lead to pretty and cute puppies being produced so that people will willingly fork out the money.

    So I agree that legislations would need to be put in place but also on the prospective purchaser.

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