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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela's Gone Batty View Post
    I was merely suggesting the program, it is gentle, positively reinforced and does seem to fix dominance issues

    Personally I feel that the more you have in your 'arsenal' (so to speak) the better.
    I appreciate that and I look at all sorts of places for advise. I have access to a behaviourist here in Brissy but I want to sort this out myself before I call him back in. Or at least try.

    I had a quick look at his K9 site and there isn't anything there that I don't already know or have access to. Actually he doesn't really say a great deal lol. I would have to pay for his knoweledge lol. Not that I have any issue with that but I can get the advise for free here in Brissy lol.
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    Hi Huskymum. Sorry you are having this problem, it's a worry. I have come across this behaviour before on a couple of occasions and both times were with huskies, but i think that may be coincidental?

    Anyway, my advice to you is to ONLY feed her by hand.
    As your OH is not having this problem, I'm certain you can see what is causing it, as already suggested.
    She gets NO food, other than the food that is given to her from your hand. She must be taught to take it gently from your hand too, of course. Only when you feel that this has been totally successful, would I go back to placing her food in a bowl.
    The point of this hard-learnt lesson is that she must see you as the leader, you as her provider. Without you, there is no food coming to her. I'm sure you get my drift.
    And yes, it may seem harsh to some ppl, but it is not, and only a reinforcement of where your dog must sit on the heirachy of things within your family structure.
    I wish you all the best.

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    Another resource of information is Jan Fennell's the Dog Listener, I read this book a while ago and put it aside then as business built up I've picked it up again and have integrated her method into two separate households, both with multiple dogs with great results.

    You say your husband doesn't have this problem, can I ask how he interacts with the dogs, is it in fact less than you?

    How far away are the two dogs bowls from each other? Sometimes further distance can lessen stress/aggressive responses.

    Have you tried the method where you toss really yummy food into the bowl (which has just got boring biscuits in it). Walk past toss in piece of chicken, walk back again, toss in chicken, give chicken to dog, pick up bowl (start first with empty bowl when picking it up). I won't go into further details if you've already tried this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huskymum View Post
    Hi Guys

    I have a little problem with Gypsy. She has started to get agressive with me. Let me explain...

    Over this last week I have been doing the normal routine for feeding times. I get both dogs to sit and stay while I place their bowls on the ground. I then give the comand to each dog to eat. That's fine no worries.

    Gypsy usually finishes first and she will come and sit at my feel. I give her a pat and praise her for being a good girl and then I usually release her. But over this last week she has become agressive with me. When she comes and sits after eating I give her a pat and she starts to bare her teeth at me and then she bites me. Not hard but a bite is a bite and is not acceptable at our place. So she get's the "NO" growl and is released. I then walk over to her bowl to pick it up (It's completely empty) and she bites me again.

    Is this behavour because she is now 7 months old and she is challenging me? We have noticed now that she is much more agressive with Diesel in her play and she is continually mounting Diesel to dominate him.

    I need to stop this behaviour NOW but I'm not sure how to go about it. I'm hoping Mal has some tips.

    I've banned DH (darling husband) from feeding her as she isn't doing it to him and I'm going to start back to the training sessions again with her.

    I'm also thinking she thinks I'm below her in the pack order and that is why she's being agressive. Any other time she is perfect walks on a slack lead right by my left leg perfectly, sits and stays, goes down and stays, comes when called.
    Pretty much answered that yourself! Yes, by the sound of things you are below her in pack order. I struggle with this sort of question as I cannot train dogs online Go back to the training sessions with her & be a lot more firm in your commands/corrections then get hubby to correct her when feeding then you the following day, each of you alternate nights. The harder she persists with this behaviour, the harder you & hubby need to correct her. As I"m sure you have worked out by now Malinois are a lot "sharper" than any other working dog out there and need to be treated as such. Does she wear a check chain? If not I strongly advise you put one on her during feed time, "hang her up" if you have to. I had the same issue with Euro who is quite big for his breed & yes, I had to "hang" him up a few times before he got the message. Does your trainer have experience with Mallies? If not talk to someone where you got her from & see if they may offer different advice. Let me know if this is or not, I have trouble explaining this type of thing online.

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    I've read the post again and want to ask are you calling her to come when you sit and pat her?

    or is she coming to you and you ask her to sit and you pat her?

    If it was me I'd immediately break the pattern you are using. Say, call her to come, put her in a drop (did I read this right she does drop on command), stay upright yourself. Reward with chicken. Leave her in drop. Remove bowl.

    but I would start off with the dropping yummy food method in first then progress to this.

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    Without sounding snobby, remember, Malinois are extremly intelligent. If I was only closer I would be there in a flash

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate View Post
    Hi Huskymum. Sorry you are having this problem, it's a worry. I have come across this behaviour before on a couple of occasions and both times were with huskies, but i think that may be coincidental?

    Anyway, my advice to you is to ONLY feed her by hand.
    As your OH is not having this problem, I'm certain you can see what is causing it, as already suggested.
    She gets NO food, other than the food that is given to her from your hand. She must be taught to take it gently from your hand too, of course. Only when you feel that this has been totally successful, would I go back to placing her food in a bowl.
    The point of this hard-learnt lesson is that she must see you as the leader, you as her provider. Without you, there is no food coming to her. I'm sure you get my drift.
    And yes, it may seem harsh to some ppl, but it is not, and only a reinforcement of where your dog must sit on the heirachy of things within your family structure.
    I wish you all the best.

    Hi DA

    Thanks for that sounds good to me. Makes sense to and we have done that to a certain degree with training. But we held food back overnight and then trained them both on hungry bellies.

    Gypsy is a Malinois not a husky lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huskymum View Post
    Hi DA

    Thanks for that sounds good to me. Makes sense to and we have done that to a certain degree with training. But we held food back overnight and then trained them both on hungry bellies.

    Gypsy is a Malinois not a husky lol.
    My post no good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mouseandchicken View Post
    Another resource of information is Jan Fennell's the Dog Listener, I read this book a while ago and put it aside then as business built up I've picked it up again and have integrated her method into two separate households, both with multiple dogs with great results.

    You say your husband doesn't have this problem, can I ask how he interacts with the dogs, is it in fact less than you?

    How far away are the two dogs bowls from each other? Sometimes further distance can lessen stress/aggressive responses.

    Have you tried the method where you toss really yummy food into the bowl (which has just got boring biscuits in it). Walk past toss in piece of chicken, walk back again, toss in chicken, give chicken to dog, pick up bowl (start first with empty bowl when picking it up). I won't go into further details if you've already tried this.

    Hi Mouse and Chicken

    We have made a rule that our dogs do not get "human" food so while your method sounds great I don't think DH would try that one.

    My husband interacts with them more that I do. He is always out there with them at least 8 or more times a day and then there are the walks (i go too) and runs etc so perhaps that could be a part of the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malinois-72 View Post
    Pretty much answered that yourself! Yes, by the sound of things you are below her in pack order. I struggle with this sort of question as I cannot train dogs online Go back to the training sessions with her & be a lot more firm in your commands/corrections then get hubby to correct her when feeding then you the following day, each of you alternate nights. The harder she persists with this behaviour, the harder you & hubby need to correct her. As I"m sure you have worked out by now Malinois are a lot "sharper" than any other working dog out there and need to be treated as such. Does she wear a check chain? If not I strongly advise you put one on her during feed time, "hang her up" if you have to. I had the same issue with Euro who is quite big for his breed & yes, I had to "hang" him up a few times before he got the message. Does your trainer have experience with Mallies? If not talk to someone where you got her from & see if they may offer different advice. Let me know if this is or not, I have trouble explaining this type of thing online.

    Hi Mal

    Yes she has a check chain we use on her so no worries there. We'll give that a go. I'll get DH to feed her every second day.

    I'll start being a lot harder with her corrections and see how that goes.

    Yes our trainer has Mal experiecne he has 28 years with RAAF / Police working dogs. We got Gypsy from RAAF and DH is in contact with him very regularly.

    You make perfect sense and I understand what you are saying so thank you we'll give this a go. We'll give it a week and see what happens.
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