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    Quote Originally Posted by Occy View Post
    There is no way in hell I would ever ever ever rehome an aggressive dog no matter what the aggression.
    Don't forget that ANY dog can be potentially agressive (here, dog aggressive). My dog can be calm as anything to 50 others, but one day we may come across one that she wouldn't tolerate and may express aggression. Shall I put her to sleep? No f'n way!

    There will always be that WHAT IF? What if the new owners relax? What if they don't like the neighbours dog? What if they get out? Not worth it.
    Yes, there is always what if, of course. Because dogs are not human, and w have to treat them like dogs. And yes, dog agression IS NORMAL. It's part of their species, it's part of what they are. But as I said, with early socialising, training, neutering and spaying it is very controllable. Of course, I am not talking about extreme cases, and of course extreme cases are in fact rare.

    Why normalise something that is less than desirable.
    Why not teach people and make dog schools a must? For instance - you cannot have dog without attending certain level of dog school/socialising etc...

    AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOUR DOES NOT EQUAL AGGRESSION. A NORMAL DOG CAN DISPLAY AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR. AN AGGRESSIVE DOG IS UNABLE TO DISPLAY ANY OTHER BEHAVIOUR.
    OK, I agree. But how do you determine that? For insance, you get traumatised dog off the street, it displays aggression towards other dogs. Do you just put it to sleep, or do you work with it and try to sove the issue (cause it is possible to solve it).

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    Fedra:
    I've said it multiple times (talk about broken record choppa) - a dog displaying aggression is not the same as an aggressive dog. An aggressive dog wants to kill things - be they people, other dogs or other animals. A normal dog will have reactions in its life that are less than desirable.

    All dogs are potential killers - those are predators you share your bed with

    When I assess a dog I look for a few things. If a dog displays DA I don't take it. I have my own dogs to think of.

    5 sheps in a row

    1 older male dog aggressive

    1 older male nice dog

    1 older female tumors

    1 young female no training

    1 male young no training

    Which do I choose? In what order?

    There is a wealth of dogs in the system, why would you choose to take on the aggressive one?

    Billie was aggressive towards the female dog the foster carer owned and wasn't tolerant of her small dogs. No problems here - different dynamic. She displayed appropriate aggression in her mind. She attempted it a few times here and it was stomped on so she just walks away now. I've had her offlead with multiple dogs and she was fine even with a very lead aggressive dog who just lay down when she approached it. A real dominant bitch - I couldn't have another adult female here. Same for Sandy when she was young, she was great but hated other bitches and would fight them. However, she didn't just walk up to another dog and fight it - it was on her home turf and if that dog got into her places - ie her bed etc

    These dogs had acts of aggression but in and of themselves are not aggressive dogs. Does that make sense?

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    Hi there!

    I am well aware of breeding practices and the trading post!

    I would like to know why undesexed dogs from RB's are sold prior to sale considering the scale of the problem, BSL in these breeds and the kill rates??

    Surely if you are passionate re the breeds you would ensure their wellbeing no matter what the cost! Rescue workers do this every single day.

    Rescues are consistantly desexed from 12 weeks of age. I accept that there is debate re some 'potential' health problems for females though all you need to do as repuatable RB's is realisticly is hold off rehoming for another 4 weeks and have the work done so they do not fall into the wrond hands. Males remain unaffected so don't bring them into this ball game. In fact they have great benefits.

    Not supporting mandatory desexing while at the same time making profit, with endless numbers of healthy rehomable animals being killed....over 500,000 a year, AND contributing to the problem is nothing short of a National disgrace.

    And you can forget about $800! a BYB sells pups to a Petshop for $30, the shop put's a price of $695-$1,500 on the pup. BYB sell bubs on the side of the road for $20-$50, "over the fence for a carton of beer or a favour" or in a carpark....truly what on earth can you possibly say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChoppaChop View Post
    Nic I know they do come through .
    As I said , there seem to be more than usual just recently.
    And most of us do as much as we can for them ,only a few of us rescue though.
    Also many are not released once they are impounded

    As for calling dogs other breeds I very much agree and do not agree with it , but if it comes down to a lovely APBT living instead of treading the Bridge ...well......
    Having said that though , at the moment I will deem to call a dog an APBT cross as for now they are still safe from BSL .

    *Snap* Choppa Chop

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occy View Post
    Fedra:
    There is a wealth of dogs in the system, why would you choose to take on the aggressive one?
    Because nobody else wants them. Or is willing to handle them.

    But yes, I understand where you come from. I can understand pts an overall aggressive dog (the one we agreed attacks anything, animals or humans), but I still wouldn't pts dog that is only aggressive towards other dogs. It can be managed and handled.

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    I apologise for taking this off topic, perhaps another thread can be started on Kill rates in pounds and shelters...

    What i do not for the life of me understand is the fact that companion animals are dying in the hundreds of thousands, One every four minutes in this country, yet the people involved insist upon and seem happy debating!

    Meanwhile the animals continue to die....

    Surely people can see things are NOT working as they are

    Talk about the definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results!!

    We have an epidemic in this country.

    I tell you what bring on PETA! That is one org who will bring the pet industry and BYB's to their knees

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    Hey guys , glad to see we are handling this like adults

    Nic , whilst I agree with teh basis of your sentiment , I cannot agree with senslessly(sp?) lumping all registered breeders in the same basket.
    Now yes, there will be the RB that is nothing more than a Registered Framer , but they are not the majority.

    The majority of breeders are responsible people who have a passion and honour for thier breed.

    As stated in this thread,in Amstaffs for example, most breeders now will only sell dogs on a co-ownership system. And yes , whilst sadly there are 1 or two rb's that will sell to anyone who has the dollars , the majority will and do not.

    And PETA?
    Sorry but PETA is a dirty word in this house .
    PETA would have a world with no pet ownership at all.


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    Hi Choppa Chop,

    I am sorry if i have offended anyone, that is not my intention. It is unbelieveably frustrating to hear all this "talk" from individuals and orgs but consistantly see no action!

    Nothing has changed!!!dogs continue to die in pounds and shelters.

    I have respect for highly ethical repuatable RB's, no question.

    With respect may i ask what is being done by RB's and their associations to address the issue of oversupply? and further to that the kill rates in pounds and shelters?

    Would they support mandatory desexing? and why are pups not desexed prior to sale?

    My opininion on PETA......PETA will be able to educate the masses on Puppy Farming, BYB'ing, pet shops. It means people will be empowered with education and facts so they able to make an informed, responsible decision re buying a companion animal. And the hideous market will dry up for these low life breeders.

    This is desperately needed as at this point the majority of good people who love their animals have NO idea of the inhumane breeding practises used and are shocked and upset to learn the truth....We have both seen this on this forum. I think that it is truly disgraceful to put people in this position who had the best intentions in buying a puppy and have been burnt.

    No pet ownership!...this is the first thing sprouted by the groups opposing any change and is a low and pathetic attampt to scare people.
    People like the PIAA, AVA and Dogs NSW all have a vested interest in opposing any change to protect their own intrests.
    I am involved in a lobby group, the whole bunch of us are surrounded by animals and simply adore them. I have been with animals since birth, and that is the way it is going to stay i can assure you.

    No one want's to stop pet ownership, it is the tragic deaths of healthy rehomable animals that must be stopped and inhumane breeding practices, can you see that?

    Micro chipping can't even be enforced, let alone a ban on all animals!!

    Remember that we live in a democratic society. Do you think for one second Australians would sit back and agree to never owning a pet?!

    I hope you know i have great respect for you and this is not personal at all

    And i agree....We need spell check...pppleease

    Nic

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    So Fedra - what you are talking about is a saviour complex. Oh look at me I will take this dog because no one else wants it.

    I personally take older dogs. Part of the reason I guess is that complex (any rescuer who denies they have it is in...denial...) - oh no one else wants them - but frankly older dogs suit my purpose. I don't want to train young dogs, I don't want to work hard to integrate a dog into my household and I don't want to disturb the current residents. I believe the oldies deserve their days in the sun. BUT an older dog isn't the same as an aggressive dog. Why would you let a perfectly lovely dog to die and take one that is a danger to society instead? If it's just because it makes you feel righteous you need to ask yourself some questions.

    Saying that my last two rescues have been puppies - because they were there and they needed rescue.

    Angus was at Wodonga pound and the local rescue and rangers wouldn't touch him. They said he was aggressive and unpredictable. I could have simply listened or do what I did, which is go check him out. Good thing I did - gorgeous dog - just terrified in the pound environment. hadn't been handled for 16 days. Had been dragged into the pound and they were told he was a little skittish. First thing he did when I went into his cage was bark at me. OOOHH BIG BAD AGGRESSIVE DOG!! Of course not! It was appropriate aggression for the situation. Angus didn't growl once whilst here and now lives with 5 kids and 10 cats!

    Fedra - how would you feel if one of these dogs you decided to take on got out and killed someone elses beloved pet? What if a dog you rehomed to a single dog home killed another dog because the family felt safe enough to do so? What if they decided to sue you? What if one of these dogs got to your dog and killed it?

    Rescue is about responsiblity to society as well as to the dogs.

    re: PETA - bunch of morons. They want to ban pet ownership as they believe it is subjigation of the species.

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    LOL Billy

    try this
    What Everyone Should know about Animal Rights

    and this gem is from PETA's own forum
    PETA's Forum - Pet ownership question

    PETA is full of right wing socialists

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