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    Because of the way Beau speaks about aggression, as if it is par for the course and as if you would breed it regardless and even you breed full well knowing it is in the lines and ignoring it.

    mischief. Owning a DA dog, rehoming one and breeding from one are all different things.

    I have no prob with someone owning a DA dog from puppyhood, but purposefully looking for one? or breeding one? or even knowingly welcoming one into your home? that's insanity IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MISCHIEFMAKA View Post
    Well how long is a piece of string? one mans version of mild DA is another mans version of extreme DA ...

    Sure you're not going to want to breed with a feral monster that wants to openly rip the face of everything that he claps eyes on but if a dog has male to male aggression then that's something i can live with and that wouldnt see me count that male out of my breeding program.
    Well there is a scale.
    aggression basics

    Cappy rates way down on the fight bite scale - at 0 in fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occy View Post
    Because of the way Beau speaks about aggression, as if it is par for the course and as if you would breed it regardless and even you breed full well knowing it is in the lines and ignoring it.

    mischief. Owning a DA dog, rehoming one and breeding from one are all different things.

    I have no prob with someone owning a DA dog from puppyhood, but purposefully looking for one? or breeding one? or even knowingly welcoming one into your home? that's insanity IMO.
    Sorry , I do not see that in the way he speaks of aggression.

    And exactly that , it is simply your opinion
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    opinions are like arseholes - everyone has one and you always think someone else stinks more than yours. Such is life

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    Occy..I will admit i havent read every post in this thread but i dont recall anyone stating they were openly looking for DA ..?

    I wouldnt invite a DA into my home because it wouldnt last two minutes here ...
    when you have a well oiled pack, you respect that, and dont add problems to it... I agree that would be seen as insane.

    But breeding one is another story...All depends on the level of DA and the causes behind it ..Ill reiterate breeding a DA dog does not mean you will produce DA dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChoppaChop View Post
    Hi Sarah !
    Welcome to the boards

    Nic you don't often see Amstaffs consistently in pounds ?
    However you might see some that have been labeled Amstaff crosses which obviously arn't.
    The Staffords are prolific , but then they are also one of ,if not the most popular dog of choice for Australians.

    And I agree with the thoughts on why keep breeding when there are oh so many in the pounds.
    But remember , the large majority of these are from the BYB and Farmers.

    And when it comes to seeing APBT in pounds ( which sadly there have been quite a few of lately) you can rest assured they are from people who we would wish leave these dogs alone. The ones that are breeding for the dollars and status that seems to go hand in hand with our lovely breed.
    Hi Choppa Chop

    I consistantly see Amstaffs, APBT and staffys in my local shelter euthed. I am well aware of the breed differences...

    It happens all the time, sorry but it is simply the truth.

    This week a gorgeous young female APBT was marched off to the euth room before my very eyes....tail wagging and bum wiggles all the way to the euth room, she was extatic re the attention for a moment and then she sat on her little bum and was dragged in. She knew what that room meant.

    I have seen at least three APBT arrive in the past week and i have only there 2 days per week at best.

    I am familiar with registering dogs under close breeds to get away with BSL but that is also a disgrace as it impacts on other breeds. It will not save lives, it simply impacts on the rest.

    For those of you who are intent on breeding, and adore the breed get with it and rescue as many or more than you pump out for profit.

    Get on board and eliminate BYB's, support mandatory desexing prior to sale and ensure the best possible homes with STRICT rehoming practice's and a contract to ensure all dogs in strife return to your fold instead of the pounds.

    RB have the greatest hand in BYB'ing IMO as they persist on sending out undesexed animals. Desex EVERY single dog before rehoming, and well and truly put potential owners through the ropes prior to sale.

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    it isn't that it is explicitly said. it is that the complacency makes me think that the people who would be complacent would welcome such dogs. If you do read some of the posts you might see what I mean. Even you say you would breed with a DA dog though.

    That is all. Beau still hasn't fronted with their years of experience which makes them more knowledgable than me. They called me out and ran away. LOL

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    Nic I know they do come through .
    As I said , there seem to be more than usual just recently.
    And most of us do as much as we can for them ,only a few of us rescue though.
    Also many are not released once they are impounded

    As for calling dogs other breeds I very much agree and do not agree with it , but if it comes down to a lovely APBT living instead of treading the Bridge ...well......
    Having said that though , at the moment I will deem to call a dog an APBT cross as for now they are still safe from BSL .

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    Hi Nic...
    The problem with ASTS in pounds and them being PTS is simple..Its the BYB, this breed attracts the low lives and more than its fair share of money hungry BYBS these ppl are NOT sold dogs from the ethical registered breeders on the main registry unless they are co owned ( hence disabling the ability to produce an income ) so they instead purchase limit reg dogs and breed them instead...Open up the trading post its SHOCKING in fact its so shocking i cant even bring myself to look anymore!

    Now all these BYBS have their litters and do no health testing, have no idea what bloodlines they are dealing with, have no regard for welfare or integrity etc etc Then when they realise that the wheels have fallen off and no one wants to pay them 800 bucks for their badly bred puppies they shove em off to the pound and these poor little mights have no paper work so they are viewed as APBTS and we know where most pounds and the like stand on that issue....

    Couple with that the fact that these same types will also sell to anyone with a few dollars and then those ppl will breed as soon as the dogs are capable and so on and so one....Its a very sad cycle .

    Now having said all that i will NEVER support mandatory desexing b4 the age of 6 months there just isnt enough long term studies on it yet .

    Ive often said id like to see some sort of " chip" that can be inserted b4 pup leaves breeder and this chip is given a time release to chemically desex the dog at a given time lol i know its a little out there but we did put a monkey on the moon.
    Last edited by MISCHIEFMAKA; 03-06-2009 at 08:09 PM.

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