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    I am sorry for seeming to not speak to you directly Occy , I try to not bring names into things if it can be helped in such an emotional thread.

    I have said many times now that yes,the best of the breed are the goal to breed with.
    But this does not gaurantee a non DA litter .

    Perhaps that is the part you are having trouble with Occy.
    That these breed/breeds are geneticly ( broken record much?) predisposed to DA.It is trait and one needs to be aware of it.

    These dogs also can be late to fully mature.
    A dog that is non DA for the first few years ,can and often does start to display DA at around 3 years of age.
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    Shit! I was not going to get into this...

    I would like to ask why on earth are these breeds consistantly bred, while endless numbers of the same breeds die in pounds and shelters?

    Why are they rehomed from RB's undesexed? and the rehoming rate/risk factors so disgraceful?

    And please give me the heads up on the reasons behind why so many are euthed day in day out!

    Nic

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChoppaChop View Post
    I am sorry for seeming to not speak to you directly Occy , I try to not bring names into things if it can be helped in such an emotional thread.

    I have said many times now that yes,the best of the breed are the goal to breed with.
    But this does not gaurantee a non DA litter .

    Perhaps that is the part you are having trouble with Occy.
    That these breed/breeds are geneticly ( broken record much?) predisposed to DA.It is trait and one needs to be aware of it.

    These dogs also can be late to fully mature.
    A dog that is non DA for the first few years ,can and often does start to display DA at around 3 years of age.

    Ok so you have 2 lovely dogs, you breed them. You get a pup you want to breed from. You naturally wait until the dog is mature in order to breed from it. The dog comes out as dog aggressive. Naturally, you desex it and try again. That would make sense.

    What I hear from a few people is that you would either:

    1. breed from a dog before maturity
    2. keep breeding dogs known to throw a lot of aggression
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    3. breed regardless

    These are all disturbing ideas. Beau even sounds as though they would breed FOR aggression.

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    Ah see for me, owning a DA dog and rehoming one is two VERY different things!

    I can own one because i know what it entails and i know im set up to deal with it...I wouldnt rehome one because what happens after that dog leaves my property remains my responsibility and im not about to trust the averga Joe Blow with a DA dog its just too risky, far too many ppl have no idea how to read dog language and dont understand how dogs are primed to react to certain situations....

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    1. breed from a dog before maturity
    2. keep breeding dogs known to throw a lot of aggression
    or
    3. breed regardless

    These are all disturbing ideas. Beau even sounds as though they would breed FOR aggression.
    Hi Occy
    Just because a dog is DA doesnt for one minute mean it will automatically produce DA offspring.
    if i had a stunning champion with everything i wanted in a dog structure wise, with great health and lovely movement are you suggesting i should desex that dog because he might be a tad DA?

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    Mischief - in an ideal world yes. You should only breed with dogs that have everything you want to pass on.

    What does "a tad" dog aggressive mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MISCHIEFMAKA View Post
    Ah see for me, owning a DA dog and rehoming one is two VERY different things!

    I can own one because i know what it entails and i know im set up to deal with it...I wouldnt rehome one because what happens after that dog leaves my property remains my responsibility and im not about to trust the averga Joe Blow with a DA dog its just too risky, far too many ppl have no idea how to read dog language and dont understand how dogs are primed to react to certain situations....

    Oh n Hi everyone, im Sarah and im new here
    Hi Sarah, Welcome and great post

    Nic

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    Hi Sarah !
    Welcome to the boards

    Nic you don't often see Amstaffs consistently in pounds ?
    However you might see some that have been labeled Amstaff crosses which obviously arn't.
    The Staffords are prolific , but then they are also one of ,if not the most popular dog of choice for Australians.

    And I agree with the thoughts on why keep breeding when there are oh so many in the pounds.
    But remember , the large majority of these are from the BYB and Farmers.

    And when it comes to seeing APBT in pounds ( which sadly there have been quite a few of lately) you can rest assured they are from people who we would wish leave these dogs alone. The ones that are breeding for the dollars and status that seems to go hand in hand with our lovely breed.
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    Oh just a quick aside , I dont see how you have gleaned that Beau would breed for aggression ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occy View Post
    What does "a tad" dog aggressive mean?
    Well how long is a piece of string? one mans version of mild DA is another mans version of extreme DA ...

    Sure you're not going to want to breed with a feral monster that wants to openly rip the face of everything that he claps eyes on but if a dog has male to male aggression then that's something i can live with and that wouldnt see me count that male out of my breeding program.

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