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    Yes Occy,as Fedra said , some breeds have been bred to nurture the DA for many years.

    But DA is just that. Dog Aggression.
    It is not all round aggression.
    Certainly not what most would label as an 'aggressive' dog in broader terms.

    In a black and white answer ( but remember-life/situations are rarely black and white) yes , my breed as a whole are known for thier DA.
    It is there , it is genetic.
    This does not mean that every dog of my breed will automaticly be an absolute raging attacker ,in fact they are often not the instigator , but will certainly finish it if provoked.But they are also one of the most stable ,loving dogs there are for a family
    It simply means owners of this breed must be aware that it is part of the dogs make up and manage accordingly,not set the dog up to fail

    The Sharpei is another dog known for its DA tendencies.
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    Not suggesting you are a breeder or that you have all the answers, but you are in a way justifying the opinion of those who support BSL IMO. If you were to breed would you not look to breed two dogs of good temperment?

    I've spent years now trying to push the cause of dogs - including sheps, pitties, staffys, etc and explain to people that not all are aggressive and that good breeders dont breed for aggression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occy View Post
    I've spent years now trying to push the cause of dogs - including sheps, pitties, staffys, etc and explain to people that not all are aggressive and that good breeders dont breed for aggression.
    Well, you are right in fact. Good breeders will pick and carefully select dogs for breeding. Not all dogs (of those breeds) are aggressive, there's also a lot to do with upbringing and socialising. Males are usually more prone to be DA. Irresponsible breeders tend to breed for all sorts of reasons, except for the right one.

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    Please can we stay with terms that dont lead to the general public making assumptions , we are talking dog aggression not 'aggression' .

    DA is part of the Stafford,Amstaff,APBT,Bull Terrier etc ...
    Of course good examples of the breed will be used for breeding.
    But the fact still remains that the DA trait is there.

    BSL is not all about DA , you know this as well as I do .

    But these breeds are geneticly predisposed to DA .
    It does not make them raving problems of society nor does it need to make them difficult to own.
    You just need to be aware of it.

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    I am not confusing DA with general aggression, I believe both are undesirable.

    I can't fathom that you would deem DA acceptable?

    Why would you not look to breed the BEST examples of your breed. Are you suggesting that there are no non-DA dogs to breed with?

    It IS not the WHOLE argument for BSL, but it is a part of it. Why would anyone tolerate a breed that is not designed to co-exist in society?

    I'm not having a go at you - as I said I have a DA dog. I love him dearly but I so wish I could run him at the beach with other dogs and I will NEVER be able to do that. There is so much we miss out on, and our dogs miss out on, when they are dog aggressive.

    Why would you purposefully bring on a dog that is DA? If it happens it happens, but it sounds as though you expect it and are not really trying to avoid it. As I said, I don't know if you breed but if you did, would you breed a DA dog?

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    I guess the simple , short answer to this is , that as I adore the Amstaff/APBT then yes I would breed.

    As I have said,it is a genetic trait.

    Some of the breed will coexist happily within a multi dog household.
    Some will not.

    Most owners of this breed will not run same sex of the breed together but happily run male/female.

    The question then is do you not continue on these breeds as DA is very much part of thier makeup?

    I believe you do.
    But you do it responsibly and you do choose the best examples of the breed that you possibly can.

    And even then , there is no gaurantee that one/some of the litter will not display strong DA.
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    Breed from the sound dogs, desex the unsound dogs. Same as should be done in any breed.

    Most breeds have a purpose and when that purpose is lost the breed suffers - thus you get nervy shepherds and insecure border collies

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    Yes but the point being that DA is a trait of this breed/breeds.

    It does not gaurantee a litter of non DA animals from two great dogs , remembering that those two great dogs could full well still have that trait but have just been raised and managed correctly and responsibly.
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    so you're suggesting that DA is something that can be suppressed through good upbrining?

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    Suppressed? No not really.
    Managed? Absolutely.
    Managed so that most people would perhaps not even realise there was an issue? Yes.

    As I said,perhaps I am having trouble expressing my thoughts ?
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