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    Default Will Neutering Stop Old Marking Habits?

    for an adult dog, will a late neutering stop his marking habits? or is that behaviour ingrained now?

    if you have not read my other posts, my husband brought home a stray last friday night, who had been found hiding in the warehouse at his place of work, vet thinks the little dog is possibly 3-5 years old, altho she said she could only be sure he is not a pup, and not an old dog.

    other questions i have: does a male dog keep spraying in the same places? if i have missed any of his leavings, will he keep spraying that same place? what can i do to stop that inside the house?

    i have used a strong solution of pine-o-clean, and sprayed glen20 liberally where he has done this. i sure hope there are no more spots i have not found.

    fyi: we are going to neuter him as soon as we can of course, it's payday tomorrow!

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    Yes...and no.

    Over a period of time after neutering he will begin to lose the 'habit' as the urge will decrease. Desexing will only stop the urge but as an adult, he will have developed a habit of marking.

    He will still 'mark' though for the rest of his life.

    My personla pointers for training and adult male;
    - restrict access inside to only a few rooms.
    - watch him like a hawk for the first week and the minute he starts sniffing back and forth and you can see he is about to mark stamp your feet and yell loudly NO!
    - clean any areas he marks thoroughly with an enzyme based cleaner and sprinkle lavendar drops over the area daily
    - praise him like a mad woman every time he wees outside in the right place.
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    Zen

    What Anne says is good.

    Have you had the vet or the council dog people check this "Stray" for a microchip? There might be someone out there who misses him. He may have been stolen and released or run away in a thunderstorm.

    Clean up with bicarb soda then vinegar solution (1 part to 10) or biozet (enzyme) or metho (alcohol) and dry off completely, use lots of paper towel. Never use a bleach based substance like pineoclean because it smells like pee to a dog and they will mark over that spot again. Get a uv light (dr Who sonic screw driver) to check for pee spots in the dark.

    Take him outside often every hour or so and as soon as he wakes up, after play, after dinner, after walks, and before bed time, and praise heaps when he goes outside and have a "cue" word like "toilet quick" or "shutnapiss".

    Don't feed too close to bed time ie allow between 2 and 4 hours before bed time. And consider taking the water away 2 hours before bed time as long as the weather is cool and there's no risk you'd forget to put it back (put your car keys with the dog water so you can't leave without putting it back).

    If you can't stop him from going in certain places consider covering those spots with puppy mats or similar, or moving the whatever it is to a room that he is not allowed in (for as long as it takes for him to learn where he's supposed to go).

    Consider getting a doggy door so he can let himself out.
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    If he is marking, as opposed to going to the toilet because he needs to empty his bladder, taking him outside regularly doesn't work.

    Most often I find with the rescues that come in, they settle after a week or so and lose the urge to mark every where.

    Zen, have you ever heard of belly bands?? I have used these for rescues and they are a godsend with a difficult case. A belly band is a strip of material that has velcro on either end that you place over the penis around the dog's waist. The band will hold a sanitary napkin in place. Every time the dog marks, he marks into the belly band.

    You need to still use a training method but belly bands sure do save your furnishings while you are training them!
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    thank you both for responding so fast..

    i will change my pine-o-clean habits straight up. i have vinegar, and will use it as soon as i post. i will find an enzyme based cleaner. (any recommendations?)

    we had forgotten to take away water at night. i should have remembered from the last dog we tried to adopt. (yes, i feel stupid now) but we were both up in the night and took him outside both times, and my husband is up at 4:30 as well for work and took him out too.

    we both do the praise bit when he goes outside, and he loves it! we pat him heaps, and tell him what a good doggie he is, smile and stuff, and give him a liver treat.

    we shall have to be tough on ourselves, and restrict him to the garage at night like we did on the first night - we have baby gates left from when we had a house rabbit, and used one to block the doorway from the garage to the kitchen. he is fine in the day, doesn't try to mark inside, because
    yes.. we have a cat door, but we need to keep the cats in at night, altho maybe they wouldn't go through the garage with the dog there.. it's a bit of a minefield that one, maybe make the baby gate higher, and have the cat tray in the kitchen.... will have to think of what is best there.

    yes.. we had him checked first thing saturday morning for a chip and there was none, and the woman waved the scanner all round and up and down to be sure.. no collar. i have rang the pounds this morning, around the area where he was found to ask about reported lost dogs of his type for the past month or two, nothing there. i guess i should also try vets? altho i don't really know where to start with vets, as i know dogs can roam far and wide can't they? do you think i should start with vets too?

    but really.. i do think it is marking, not full on peeing, as it is only a small amount in the same spot, not a lot of it... i have never heard of a belly band.. thank you Anne.. ummm.... i will google of course, but would pet stores have such things?
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    Lavendar is good...sprinkle it daily where he keeps marking (after thoroughly cleaning the area though).

    Bio-zet is a good enzyme based laundry cleaner that can be used. I have also used commerically available products such as Piss Off and Urine Off. They can be expensive though but I feel they're worth it.
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    thank you - i will look for this stuff asap. lavender oil?

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    lavender oil - should be available from chemist shop - phone and ask a few if you're not sure. Some of the bigger supermarkets might have it - I'd look where they put the eucalyptus oil, usually in the medicine section where the bandaids are. You can put a few drops of lavender oil or maybe a teaspoon? into a 1 litre spray bottle and fill with water and use that to sprinkle the area. One bottle full should last ages. (Shannon Lush is big on this too but I'd have to find the podcast to check).

    If the vet checked for a microchip then there isn't one (unless their machine is faulty - which I think they'd notice pretty quick). So I guess your new dog is good to stay.

    And yes, putting the dog outside lots will not stop it marking inside but might reduce the frequency of marking inside and reduce the possibility of accidents, and increase your opportunity to praise for doing it in the right place - outside ie you should still put the dog outside lots.

    Sometimes crate training the dog (use google) will help with the marking / soiling inside. Ie dogs don't like to soil their own bed (some exceptions but most won't go in their own bed) so they are more likely to hang on till morning. Will sort the problem with the cats.

    I'd not have a doggy door if it means letting cats out at night. A doggy door by itself won't solve the marking problem anyway, just the "caught short" problem. And cats are adept at finding ways to get out. They will sneak past a sleeping dog.

    Enzyme cleaners - you're going to have to check the cleaning section of your supermarket. Start at the laundry powder end and work along checking labels. Avoid the stronger products like OMO - it says enzyme but its still got lots of other stuff you don't want. Same with Napisan. I also think the eucalyptus wool wash cleaners might be worth a go - though I stick with the methylated spirits and paper towel myself. As I said before Biozet is one I know is ok.

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    Zen, it sounds like your dog is definately 'marking his territory', and his urine spraying has nothing to do with being house-trained or not, but still...

    Is he house-trained? Is he obviously going outside to urinate?

    Because you have stated that he is only spraying small amounts of urine, I would certainly go ahead with his castration. It may not fix the immediate problem of his marking, but it is certainly the best thing to do anyway. It can help 'curb' it a bit, though, for want of a better word.

    You may also find that he settles down in time.
    I would follow Anne's advice re stomping feet and saying no, clapping hands etc when he is about to mark. I would also limit the areas of the interior that he has access to, until such time as the problem gets better.

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    I buy my lavendar oil in the supermarket. From memory, it is near where the band-aids and things are.
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