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    Being pack leader or not will not alter marking. Dogs will mark even if they are the lowest in the pack. In fact, if this little dog is a dominant boy he will simply mark over the top of your marking.

    zen - unless you catch him in the act he won't understand why you are telling him he is a bad dog. He will only associate your current action with his current action. Dogs have intelligence but not in such a way that they can think back to what they did and understand that the gobbly gook coming out of their humans mouth in a deep undertone is related to something that happened some time back. They only live for the here and now.
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    yes Anne.. that was my first thought as well, and why i did nothing except just clean it all up that first morning.. and i wasn't mean or anything, i know the poor little mite doesn't understand things like that really..

    he has let loose a huge bark finally too! wow! what a deep toned loud bark he has!! but i'm safe at my front door now, even if all a would be intruder does is collapse laughing at this tiny wee thing defending his house..

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    Quote Originally Posted by zen View Post
    he has let loose a huge bark finally too! wow! what a deep toned loud bark he has!! but i'm safe at my front door now, even if all a would be intruder does is collapse laughing at this tiny wee thing defending his house..



    Don't you believe it, Zen.

    I've had more small dogs (such as Chihuahuas) attached to my arms and doing me damage than other breed of dog I've ever encountered!

    They can be just as much as a deterrent to unwanted visitors than a great, hulking beast.

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    good. i've read this breed, even tho his ears give him away as a cross, will defend their home and humans, and are great little watchdogs..

    i've really become attached to this little fellow in such a short time, i regret now asking one pound to check for me on reported lost dogs in the area he was found, but i had to do the right thing.

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    Sorry, I am just cluing into a few things here. You found him?

    Legally you are required to surrender him to the local pound. He may have owners that are desperately missing him. You should do the right thing and contact your local impound facility for advice.
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    my husband found this wee mite hiding in the back of the warehouse at his place of work last friday. according to reports from the warehouse staff, they think he had been in there for anything up to 3 days. other staff there have said they have seen this dog around the (industrial) area for 4-5 weeks.. (people are so uncaring!)

    now... my husband works in an inner city suburb just south of Sydney, and we live at the northern end of the Central Coast. it's a good hour and a half drive on a good day, more like 2 hours usually, sometimes more.

    i rang the two pounds that were closest to the area he was found in yesterday morning, figured the weekend was no win situation staff wise at pounds. the first pound was not interested in my having found a dog, did check one matching his description had not been reported as lost. the second, largest pound told me i had to bring him in, but i explained... for starters, i have been quoted less than the pound could do for neutering, vaccinations, chipping etc. for seconds, i told this girl that he was still trembly, but starting to settle into a home that wanted to keep him, so was it fair to him to put him into a bare cage for a few weeks, in an overcrowded pound situation, where kennel cough, and who knows what else, would be a distinct possibility. she agreed with me.

    they are checking for me, and if he has an owner who cares, and is missing him, certainly, we shall give him up to his rightful owner without a fuss. but if not, he stays here where he is safe, and cared for. apart from that, he was not chipped, not neutered etc.. we had him checked for a chip straight up saturday morning.
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    Effectively then the Pound have allowed you to care for him under what is called 'duty of care' ...although this is used loosley in this instance as he isn't chipped (I think I read that you did have him scanned for a chip?????).

    Please keep an open mind about the previous owner though. I know people who have moved heaven and earth to try and find thier dog and never have, or several months later have in some remarkable story. Most people assume the worst when they find a dog wandering, particularly if it is in an unkempt state. The fact is though, dogs very quickly loose condition when they are lost.

    His owner may be some little old lady who doesn't understand how the pounds work. Also, even though people give a clear description of their dog, many pounds have stated to people ringing up that the dog isn't there when in fact it is. I would think thousands of dogs have died because of this and due to ineffective searching for a microchip.

    If I were you, I would ensure I did everything I could to see if he has an owner somewhere. This would include pasting his pic on a description sheet and faxing to pounds around the Sydney area and putting a few notices online.

    If after the mandatory 2 weeks he remains unclaimed, then have him microchipped, desexed, vaccinated and love him for life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne View Post
    Sorry, I am just cluing into a few things here. You found him?

    Legally you are required to surrender him to the local pound. He may have owners that are desperately missing him. You should do the right thing and contact your local impound facility for advice.
    That's the catch -22 question, though, IMO.

    What does one do when they find an animal that appears to be homeless? Take the dog to their local pound? The pound here wouldn't dream of running advertising or attempting to find the dog's rightful owner, particularly with one that isn't micro-chipped. Now unless the dog was a bitch they also wouldn't bother with vaccinating, micro-chipping or de-sexing unless a person comes through that chooses the dog - only then is all that done. Every animal has a time-limit too, unfortunately, and if nobody wants that animal then they are PTS.

    I don't know just how far Zen has gone in trying to locate this dog's original owner. I don't know if she has doorknocked any suburban areas closest to the industrial estate? I don't know if she has placed any ads in the local papers, where usually 'found' ads are placed free of charge?

    However, I do know a lot of ppl tend to dump dogs at industrial areas and sites. However, if the dog has been seen at the site for approx 4-5 weeks, then it must have been getting food somewhere?

    Zen, the hardest thing with falling in love with an animal you have found is discovering later down the track that an owner comes forward who technically owns the dog. That is very hard.

    I have been in the situation where an owner has given me their dog. They discussed it with me at length over a couple of weeks, and at the end had not changed their minds. They truly felt they couldn't look after their dog and felt they were doing the right thing. I agreed to take on ownership of the dog. I did not however, go to my solicitor and get it in writing, nor did I bother to have the owners transfer the dog's registration papers into my name.
    Yep, later down the track they changed their minds. Even though there were many winesses to state in court that she had given the dog away, I didn't have a legal leg to stand on, and as the court case was costing us a fortune, we gave up and returned the dog to his original owner. It was not any easy time for us, as we knew we were returning this beauitufl beast to a home that couldn't care for him, couldn't afford veterinary treatment, little own afford to feed the dog well. He passed away 12 months later.

    I'm sorry for such a long ramble, but my point is make sure you do everything you can first to find any rightful owner of this dog. Only then will you be able to have and love him yourself for the rest of his life.

    Apologise again for such a long post!

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    i have emailed pics of this dog to the pounds involved, i have checked lost dog sites.. i was thinking of ringing vets in nearby areas, but don't really know where to start, but yes, i will do more.. i know how i would be if i had lost him. i'm thinking i shall have an answer from the Sydney City pound this morning, it's still early.

    i wanted to think the worst over the weekend, this little guy is such a cutie, and has personality plus, even tho he is still scared of loud noises, car horns, a waving arm, etc etc... and trembles like a jelly when startled. but .. yes... i know..

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    In NSW it is law that stray animals are impounded DA. It may not be want we want to do, and working in rescue I have 'been there and done that' with the horrors of our pounds.

    However, as an ethical rescuer and as a law abiding citizen I do what I must. In this case, zen has been allowed to hold the dog as I described above.

    When you deal with lost dogs, found dogs abused dogs and euthanased dogs regularly you recognise that while the law seems a bit off putting, these laws are made for a reason. As it is law that stray animals are impounded, people who lose animals understand that the ONLY way to lcoate them is to contact the local pounds unless they are lucky and the pound, or a Vet, has found a chip and contacted them first.

    I understand Tasmania is very different and perhaps that is why it isn't as important to you that the dog is impounded or the finder is offered advice and instruction from the pound.
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