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    Ok guys heres the story .............

    Sunday afternoon I took Bailey for a walk to the deli around the corner from me.

    When I got there I tied her up to a pole (with enough lead to move around) around the side of a shop where I could clearly see her through the window the entire time I was in there. The people at the deli adore her as she doesn't yip or bark while she waits for me

    Anyway I finished buying the stuff I wanted, diverted my eyes from Bailey just long enough to ask for a pack of smokes and pay, turn back around and guess what I see!!!!????

    There is a couple standing outside with their son (about 4 yo) and the boy is CHASING Bailey round and round the pole until she has no more lead and is stuck. All the while the parents are standing there laughing!!

    Well I go running out there and Bailey see's me and starts to calm down and then the little boy tries to pat (more like a smack if you ask me) her face and she starts growling!

    The stupid mother goes spastic about how dare I have a dangerous dog! Well did I give it to her! How dare she let a child chase a strange dog around and stand there laughing about it! I explained my girl is not nasty AT ALL but doesnt like being chased!

    I asked her if my dog was muzzled would she have let her boy go near her and
    she says no way! I said well funny that because a muzzled dog can't do very much damage! whereas a dog that isn't CAN!

    STUPID BITCH!!!

    I was just about in tears by the time I got home and when OH asked what was wrong I broke down!

    I need some advice guys...... Do I muzzle her from now on, knowing that if she had bitten that boy she would be PTS? or do I continue to trust her knowing that when it comes down to it she would choose FLIGHT over FIGHT?

    Was I being irresponsible by taking her to the shops, when I have never had a problem before?

    What would you guys do????

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeTheDeedNotTheBreed View Post
    when it comes down to it she would choose FLIGHT over FIGHT?
    Isn't this human nature? for most animals? including humans? I would rather run if I was being challenged or threatened rather than fight ....unless I had to!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeTheDeedNotTheBreed View Post
    Isn't this human nature? for most animals? including humans? I would rather run if I was being challenged or threatened rather than fight ....unless I had to!
    Ah, not sure what you mean exactly here? Your dog was tied to a post on a leash. How could it run? It gave a warning growl to the child. If your dog feels cornered and has nowehere to go, what do you think she may do, Judge? If she can't run, then yes, she may choose to fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate View Post
    Ah, not sure what you mean exactly here? Your dog was tied to a post on a leash. How could it run? It gave a warning growl to the child. If your dog feels cornered and has nowehere to go, what do you think she may do, Judge? If she can't run, then yes, she may choose to fight.
    You dont understand? you just said it lol! thats exactly what I meant! she would only fight if she had to

    but do i take the chance?

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    No, not if she had to, only if she chose to.

    It is your decision. If it was me, no I would NEVER take that risk. Not in the interests of my dog, nor the interest of the general public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeTheDeedNotTheBreed View Post
    Ok guys heres the story .............

    Sunday afternoon I took Bailey for a walk to the deli around the corner from me.

    When I got there I tied her up to a pole (with enough lead to move around) around the side of a shop where I could clearly see her through the window the entire time I was in there. The people at the deli adore her as she doesn't yip or bark while she waits for me

    Anyway I finished buying the stuff I wanted, diverted my eyes from Bailey just long enough to ask for a pack of smokes and pay, turn back around and guess what I see!!!!????

    There is a couple standing outside with their son (about 4 yo) and the boy is CHASING Bailey round and round the pole until she has no more lead and is stuck. All the while the parents are standing there laughing!!

    Well I go running out there and Bailey see's me and starts to calm down and then the little boy tries to pat (more like a smack if you ask me) her face and she starts growling!

    The stupid mother goes spastic about how dare I have a dangerous dog! Well did I give it to her! How dare she let a child chase a strange dog around and stand there laughing about it! I explained my girl is not nasty AT ALL but doesnt like being chased!

    I asked her if my dog was muzzled would she have let her boy go near her and
    she says no way! I said well funny that because a muzzled dog can't do very much damage! whereas a dog that isn't CAN!

    STUPID BITCH!!!

    I was just about in tears by the time I got home and when OH asked what was wrong I broke down!

    I need some advice guys...... Do I muzzle her from now on, knowing that if she had bitten that boy she would be PTS? or do I continue to trust her knowing that when it comes down to it she would choose FLIGHT over FIGHT?

    Was I being irresponsible by taking her to the shops, when I have never had a problem before?

    What would you guys do????
    How do you know what she would chose as to flight or fight??? You can never know with a cornered dog!

    The thing is...no matter WHY the incident might have happen...if she had bitten the boy...you would be in a lot of trouble and even more so Bailey.

    You have a problem now, because she has shown she can get "nasty".

    Here is what I would do if I was you:

    1. I would muzzle if I went out in the public. She is a prescribed breed and I wouldn't take my chances anymore...just not worth it

    2. I would not leave her unattended!

    3. If you are concerned...consult a dog behaviourist

    The thing is...these people might not have known the law, but that doesn't mean the next lot won't either. They might be fully aware of the "Prescribed Breed" Law and it could end you, Bailey, your mummy bitch and your new pups in a lot of sh*t.

    I am not saying the Mum had a right to let her son go to a dog they don't know. It was complete stupidity to do so and I hope she learnt from that! They should have waited and asked you...period!

    I want to ask you though...is Bailey in close contact with the puppies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeTheDeedNotTheBreed View Post
    There is a couple standing outside with their son (about 4 yo) and the boy is CHASING Bailey round and round the pole until she has no more lead and is stuck. All the while the parents are standing there laughing!!

    Well I go running out there and Bailey see's me and starts to calm down and then the little boy tries to pat (more like a smack if you ask me) her face and she starts growling!
    I know that when my boys were around this age they didn't quite know the difference between "stroke" and "pat" they would almost "smack" an animal until I said geeeeentle lol. However in your case the parents were there, they should have known better and not allowed the first incident of chasing the dog happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeTheDeedNotTheBreed View Post
    The stupid mother goes spastic about how dare I have a dangerous dog! Well did I give it to her! How dare she let a child chase a strange dog around and stand there laughing about it! I explained my girl is not nasty AT ALL but doesnt like being chased!

    I asked her if my dog was muzzled would she have let her boy go near her and she says no way! I said well funny that because a muzzled dog can't do very much damage! whereas a dog that isn't CAN!
    Sounds like she needs a bit more education on what a dangerous dog is and what a traumatised or scared dog is. If I were her I would of smacked my kids on the bum and told them to say sorry, actually my kids wouldn't do it in the first place, but they are a bit older and have been around dog's for years.


    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeTheDeedNotTheBreed View Post
    I need some advice guys...... Do I muzzle her from now on, knowing that if she had bitten that boy she would be PTS? or do I continue to trust her knowing that when it comes down to it she would choose FLIGHT over FIGHT?

    Was I being irresponsible by taking her to the shops, when I have never had a problem before?

    What would you guys do????
    Dogs cant speak, they cant say "Hey stop that, I don't like it!" and people should learn this! They way the dog warns you it to growl, bark, nip but then of course you face having your pet pts.

    I don't take my dogs to the shops for the simple fact people think the worst of them first off in most cases and I prefer them not think the worst of my dogs, I know when my boys were little I would walk WAY around them because I don't know the dog, therefore don't trust it.

    Not just that, but also that I have a friend who is terrified of dogs and there are may people like that around, I wouldn't want to be in a public area with my dog and then have that cause someone not being able to enter a shop or school etc.

    It's a hard one for me also, I find a huge amount of people acting rather intimidated around Jaz, so I prefer stick where those who have dogs are.

    Would I muzzle my dog if I knew she was going to come into close contact with people? If I had any tiny amount of confidence that she would fight then hell yes, not just to protect the possible victim, but to protect my dog.

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    Also Judge, I know nothing about Pit Bull breeds etc, so any comment I make is about ANY dog in general.

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    No I don't think you were irresponsible. It was the supid parents who were irrisponsible

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    I wouldnt take the chance by putting her in a situation where some harm could be come by. If you really wanted to keep taking her for a walk to the shops where you tie her up outside, take the muzzle with you, when you go in put it on, and take off for the walk home, it would put your mind at ease.
    Its a tuffy, as it might only be a 1 in a 100 occurrence that some brat with irresponsible parents might come up to her and she reacts, but thats all it takes.

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