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    Except the pet shops buy the puppies orginally, who are supporting the 'breeder' and then WE are buying the puppies so we are supporting the pet shop AND the breeder.
    There is no need for puppies and kittens to be sold in pet shops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne View Post
    I firmly and strongly believe though that we waste vaulable time and resources in pursuing what I feel is the wrong end of the stick. We should be pouring our energy into the breeders of the dogs sold in pet shops, not the pet shops themselves. The puppy farms, the back yard breeders and the registered breeder who breed dogs without care for the future of the off spring or the care of the dogs they are using to breed with.

    What we do need desperately is an enquiry into where the problems really are and mainly, where do the dogs in pounds come from?

    Disclaimer - please note, when I use the term 'breeder' I am referring to anyone who mates two dogs to produce puppies.
    That is fair enough and I don't disagree...but who is going to police this and keep "breeders" from breeding? We don't have to be rocket scientists to realise that the majority of puppies from puppy farms end up in pet shops OR sold on in the Internet where there has been no "in person" contact with the breeder.

    I 100% agree that it is the breeders who are at fault here. They bred the dogs in the first place to be sold in pet shops. But I also stand by that if pet shops were not allowed to sell pets...there would be less unregistered pets circulating.

    Add: You are from rescue and I would think are in contact with other rescue organisations? What is the percentace of dogs coming through these organisation without microchip as to those who have one?
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    Absolutely DH, I agree!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne View Post
    Yes, I agree they may not be 'good' but it is far easier to regulate them to be 'better' than what it will be to regulate breeders.

    Puppies have been sold in pet shops for many, many years. The first of 3 black Labradors that my family owned when I was little was purchased from a pet shop.

    The main reasons that people cite for believing pet shops should not sell puppies are stated here in various posts.

    These are;

    * Lack of training of staff in animal care and handling and breed differences.
    I do not know of any breeder who is trained to care for dogs. They gain that the knowledge through experience and perhaps guidance from family, friends and peers.

    In the pet shop industry, we have the power to ensure that employees are trained. We have that control to be able to insist on this. Those that are members of the PIAA already undergo this training and are encourgaed to do so.

    * Puppies kept in cages
    It is common for breeders to keep their dogs in runs or kennels. They don't get the same amount of interaction that you or I might give a dog that lives inside the family home.

    It is also common for people to crate their dogs in Australia while they are not home, and during the night. It is argued that this does not harm the dog. I don't think it is preferable, and unless it is long term, I don't consider it harmful either. Puppies in a breeders home may be placed in a puppy pen for the majority of the day too.

    * Puppies sold without proper assesment & ending up dumped in pounds
    As stated, this simply can't be the case in NSW as the greater proportion of dogs in our pounds are not microchipped.

    Further, the majority of breeders will sell puppies to people they have never met over the internet, or after speaking with them over the phone. Puppy buyers normally would go to the breeder to buy their puppy, the breeder does not go to their home to check them out. This is the same as a pet shop.

    I have met and spoken to people who have purchased dogs from breeders and from pet shops and I feel the dog is not suitable for them.

    * Puppies sold with health issues
    Can anyone seriously claim that unhealthy puppies are only sold through pet shops? Who bred them in the first place?

    * Impulse purchasing
    Impulsive purchases happen with rescues (the emotional pull when you see some poor little dog that has been abused and needs love), from breeders when they see a friend with a new puppy or they see an advert for a cute bouncy puppy and decide they want to buy it. I also don't beleive that impulsive purchases are as rampant as what is made out to be.

    Overall, I agree that many pet shops need to be looked at and things need to be changed to ensure that our dogs are proected.

    I firmly and strongly believe though that we waste vaulable time and resources in pursuing what I feel is the wrong end of the stick. We should be pouring our energy into the breeders of the dogs sold in pet shops, not the pet shops themselves. The puppy farms, the back yard breeders and the registered breeder who breed dogs without care for the future of the off spring or the care of the dogs they are using to breed with.

    What we do need desperately is an enquiry into where the problems really are and mainly, where do the dogs in pounds come from?

    Disclaimer - please note, when I use the term 'breeder' I am referring to anyone who mates two dogs to produce puppies.
    There are so many points made in here that I have come to the conclusion that pet shops and laws/regulations change from state to state, and perhaps that is something that really needs to be looked at before we generalise about all pet shops.

    Here, most pet shop puppies/kittens are VERY young, have no micro-chipping, vaccinations done etc. However, NO-ONE can purchase any animal from ANY RSPCA animal shelters here in Tassie without it first being microchipped, vaccinated, de-sexed, wormed, flea controlled etc, the works. That is the way it is, which seems to be the opposite of NSW where Anne lives.

    I can't possibly comment regarding the rest of the country, as I am down here, which I think works visa versa for all of us.

    I have come across some excellent pet shop proprietors in Qld who truly care for the puppies and kittens they sell. I would even go so far as to say they are just as responsible with homing them as a very good reputable breeder. I have also met a lot of bad ones.
    There are good and bad here, and a lot of pet shops flatly refuse to sell puppies/kittens, which is great IMO.

    The pet shop debate can go on to become a never ending cycle similar to the chicken and the egg...

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    Be patient with me... hoping this works. This is the Cookie Monster.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne View Post
    Be patient with me... hoping this works. This is the Cookie Monster.


    Oh my god Anne.
    Thats absolutely horrible!

    She's a rescue yeah? From where abouts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhound View Post
    Loren it was me who related the story about my niece buying the Cavalier pup from the pet shop.

    She had grown up with a Cav and wanted one to raise with her own young family. I found a registered breeder who was selling limited register pups from sound parents for $500 each. On the way to visit the breeder she passed a pet shop and was sucked in by a mismarked black and tan Cavalier pup in the window. She paid $1100 for him. No papers, no microchip, just his first vaccination. Pup had one of the worst umbilical hernias I have seen. Pet shop said they would pay to have it surgically repaired at a later stage. Pet shop closed down three months later. The puppy also had entropion requiring surgical correction and slipping patella - both hind legs.

    Why did she pay more than double the price of a quality pup? Simply because she saw a cute little face in a pet shop window.

    A shop is not the place for any live animal. I never buy anything from any shop that sells live animals.
    Thank you Deerhound for this posting...it is much appreciated. You said what I (maybe not as eloquently) was trying to say.

    If we stop pet shops from selling puppies and kittens...the amount of unregistered animals will dramatically drop.

    I don't disagree with Anne regarding the breeders being at fault...I VERY MUCH agree. But If the breeders lose their ongoing puppy selling revenue...then we have come a long way!

    I also want to point out that I definitely think impulse buying happens a lot more with Pet shops than from a "breeder"...as you so well pointed out in your post regarding your niece.

    I do not buy anything from shops either who sell live puppies and kittens. I stick to PetStock, because they have a strict "no pets" in their stores. They do sell fish though like I said earlier. They don't even sell birds!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate View Post
    The pet shop debate can go on to become a never ending cycle similar to the chicken and the egg...
    It might DA...but is also an important one. It is what you said...a debate. It is gathering information and seeing things from different points of view

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    [QUOTE=Anne;34167]Be patient with me... hoping this works. This is the Cookie Monster.


    Oh my God...sweet little darling "tears in my eyes"...I can feel a swear word coming..........................

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    oh my it make me cry

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