Page 19 of 19 FirstFirst ... 9171819
Results 181 to 189 of 189

Thread: Ban of Dogs/cats in Pet Shops

  1. #181
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Canberra
    Posts
    1,536

    Default

    Great post Cleasanta!

  2. #182
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    2,561

    Default

    No offence intended but you are merely re-inventing the wheel. Ever heard of the Animals (Regulation of Sale) Bill 2009? Clover Moore has been pushing for this for some time now. Many of us were involved in the re-write of the Bill. I personally met with Clover's office last year to submit a paper along with the MDBA on the Bill.

    It's all been said and done before and is still currently being debated. There is nothing new in what you have come up with.

    Instead of wasting time going over old ground, why don't you all join a lobby group that already exists?
    Last edited by Anne; 12-04-2009 at 08:25 AM.
    A pessimist sees the glass as half empty;
    An optimist sees the glass as half full;
    A realist just finishes the damn thing and refills it.

  3. #183
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Near Newcastle, NSW
    Posts
    4,215

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Anne View Post
    Pei rescue - the Swedish way sounds like an overbearing nanny state to be honest. How ludicrous that you would have to take your dog with you if you were leaving it for more than 4 hours. That is way over the top and very disturbing in my view. I think this sounds a bit extreme too! I am not Swedish, but I am Danish or was anyway (both countries Scandinavian) and I have NEVER heard of this happening. That is just ridiculous in my opinion...getting a dog walker if dog is alone for longer than 4 hours??? What do they do at night...wake their dogs up after 4 hours and take them for a walk??? I don't doubt they don't have massive amounts of rescue organisations. I can think of ONE in Denmark..."Lad mig leve" (Let me live).

    To the comment on blends vs purebreds in pounds, although I don't have exact figures I can say unequivocally that blends out number purebreds in pounds. Looking at it objectively however, there are more blends in this world than purebreds anyway. Purebreds in reality make up only a small proportion of dogs in Australia. (Blends = crossbreds)
    My point exactly...if you minimise the "production and distribution" of cross breeds and/or unregistered dogs...we have come a long way!

  4. #184
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    South Australia
    Posts
    1,428

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by peta23 View Post
    di: I reckon you did the right thing..

    Dont worry about what anything else thinks...
    hear hear!!!

  5. #185
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    2,561

    Default

    Here are some already well established groups lobbying for change who are also aware of the current and emerging issues in animal welfare. I would strongly suggest that, along with your own private crusades (if you choose to) you join them and support them in ways that will achieve more than going it on your own without the research and knowledge.

    Again, I am sure this will cause offence, but I have been in the thick of it for some time and it can become frustrating to watch good resources wasted. Many of you obviously have skills, intelligence and drive to help make a difference and I think your skills and drive will be better utilised elsewhere.

    DEATHROWPETS.net - Home Page
    Fix NSW Animal Policy
    http://www.pawsforaction.com/
    Companion animals—a cherished part of Australian life // Animals Australia
    Clover Moore: Animal Welfare

    Apologies to those from other states, but some of these are NSW based. This shouldn't be a concern though as NSW seems to be the initiator of a lot of legislation and the other states follow.
    A pessimist sees the glass as half empty;
    An optimist sees the glass as half full;
    A realist just finishes the damn thing and refills it.

  6. #186
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Near Newcastle, NSW
    Posts
    4,215

    Default

    Anne...I need to ask...do you agree with the Bill Clover Moore is trying to get passed?

    The reason for asking is that The Bill is about banning sale of pet in pet shops...banning advertising in particular.

    In an earlier thread you said: I am not totally against pet shops selling animals to be frank. You also said in another thread:
    Overall, I agree that many pet shops need to be looked at and things need to be changed to ensure that our dogs are proected.

    I firmly and strongly believe though that we waste vaulable time and resources in pursuing what I feel is the wrong end of the stick. We should be pouring our energy into the breeders of the dogs sold in pet shops, not the pet shops themselves. The puppy farms, the back yard breeders and the registered breeder who breed dogs without care for the future of the off spring or the care of the dogs they are using to breed with.


    You state that you believe the breeders are the ones we should target and I don't disagree. We also need to target pet shops selling live animals.

    I would love to know what the outcome of your meeting with Clover Moore was though. Was it to emphasise the need to regulate the breeding industry instead of banning pet shops?

    Correct me if i am wrong, but Clover Moore has been trying to get the Animals (Regulation of Sale) Bill through since 2007 (tweaking bits here and there). I truly commend her dedication, but not much is happening.

    Sure...we could join Lobby Groups. My concern is...these lobby groups aren't getting enough information out to the public. I have not seen anything from any group. I had to go searching myself on the net.

    This is what Member of Heathcote, Paul McLeay said during the debate of ANIMALS (REGULATION OF SALE) BILL 2008 on Nov 2009 “One of the highlights of my family’s weekly shopping trip with our 8 year old daughter and 3 year old son is to go to the local pet stores and have a look in the windows. Our children like to look at the dogs and animals that are for sale.” I find that comment disgusting on SO many levels and he will DEFINITELY get a letter from me!!!!!!

  7. #187
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    2,561

    Default

    No, I don't agree entirely with Clover's Bill. I agree with parts of it and I totally support the overall intention of what she tried to get passed.

    The statements of mine that you have quoted I stand by. Pet shops are not the problem.

    When I met with Clover's office last year, it was on behalf of myself as a private rescuer and the MDBA. Julie Nelson, CEO of the MDBA, was also with me.

    With my assistance and input, the MDBA created a submission on the issues we saw in the Bill. The issues covered breeders and rescues. It covered registered and unregistered dogs (ie there are many breeds of working dogs that are not ANKC registered breeds). We highlighted the many issues found in the Bill that would affect rescuers, dog owners and breeders.

    The outcome was that Clover took on board all submissions and advice and the Bill was re-written and subsequently re-offered to Parliament. In particular, my objections to the issues surrounding private rescues was listened to and it was re-written. {edit: Sorry that sounds like it was soley my objections that were the cause of the re-write of that area which is not the case. I was simply one of a crowd. I was pleased though that I was offered the draft of this area to look at before finalisation, to ensure that it would suit my issues regarding private rescues and their ability to operate}

    The Bill failed and was not passed. It will no doubt now be dissected and the some of it may be included in future re-writes of existing leglislation.

    During the last 2 years while working on the issues surrounding the Bill, I have spent considerable time and energy researching, discussing and debating the Bill and the issues it raised. It was through this process that I have arrived at my current view, that petshops are not the problem.

    I have big issues with the advent of the internet and its affect on many areas surrounding animals. Firstly, and this is a generalisation that is NOT based on any one person or persons here, dogs owners can become blinkered to internet hype. They cease to seek the answers and they tend to rely on what the common thought or perception is.

    Someone states that dogs must be fed raw meat and that kibble gives dogs bad skin or cancer, and suddenly it is being touted as fact and it becomes so commonly said that, indeed, it appears fact.

    Equally, someone states that pet shops are the root of all evil and they are the cause of dogs dying in pounds and it becomes cemented in as fact.

    Lets look at facts - where do dogs in pounds come from? The utter truth of the matter is that NO-ONE REALLY KNOWS! There has NEVER been an enquiry as to where they come from. There has never been an enquiry as to WHY they are there. There has never been any sound research or collection of statistics and data EVER.

    In my personal view, the majority of dogs are coming from irresponsible and lax owners who initially purchased or acquired their dog from a friend, neighbour or byb. Obviously, some will also have come from pet shops and some will also have come from registered breeders.

    You say that the lobbyists aren't getting the info out to the public becuase you have not heard of them. Do you therefore think that a few poeple on a dog forum are going to do better? Many of these groups are experienced lobbyists and animal welfare enthusiasts. They've been lobbying for years.

    I applaud those who push and strive to do their own bit. Even if you educate one person, you have succeeded. But I would also suggest that joining an established group will reach far more people than a sole operator. They have the networks, the contacts, the know-how and the dollars in some cases to do things. They are greatly assisted by the support of the public and need that support to continue.
    Last edited by Anne; 12-04-2009 at 10:31 AM.
    A pessimist sees the glass as half empty;
    An optimist sees the glass as half full;
    A realist just finishes the damn thing and refills it.

  8. #188
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Near Newcastle, NSW
    Posts
    4,215

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Anne View Post
    Again, I am sure this will cause offence, but I have been in the thick of it for some time and it can become frustrating to watch good resources wasted. Many of you obviously have skills, intelligence and drive to help make a difference and I think your skills and drive will be better utilised elsewhere.
    Nope...no offence taken, but maybe a bit presumptuous on your part to think it would offend.

    I am interested though...what do you do to get the word out regarding puppy mills...BYB's and pets sold in pet shops? I understand you do rescue work too, but you stated you have been doing this for a while, so that is why I am asking.

    Do you hand out flyers? Do you have a section on your rescue website regarding these particular issues?

    Being a part of a Lobby Group is ok. But I honestly don't think the word is being spread enough. I had no idea the Lobby Groups existed until I put Puppy Mills in the search engine and searched under Australia. And since people don't know enough about Puppy Mills...they wouldn't go searcing for them IMHO.

  9. #189
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    2,561

    Default

    I join lobby groups and offer my services.
    A pessimist sees the glass as half empty;
    An optimist sees the glass as half full;
    A realist just finishes the damn thing and refills it.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •