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    Ok, well, how did the Doberman get through the window?

    And where was the JRT when the other dog got to it?
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    I was chatting with one of my foster carers today who returned from living in Sweden about 6 months ago. She was telling me that she has some Swedish friends visiting atm and one in particular was stunned that Aly was fostering dogs. Apparently the laws over there are so dog orientated that they have ONE dog/cat pound (this is what she told me - truly). She has also told me in the past that if someone goes to work for longer than 4 hours and does not take their dog, that person must employ a dog walker at the 4 hour mark. Not to mention dogs can go anywhere over there. Dept stores, work, etc. Might pay to google dog laws in Sweden and see what you can come up with for positive ideas for your letter.
    Please don't quote me as SHAR PEI Rescue Victoria because it would obviously be very easy to work out who I am lol If you wish to quote me, just use "Bella's Mum"
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    Firstly it went THROUGH the window, as in it just crashed it's way in. Secondly the JRT had gone into my parents yard but DID NOT get to any bitches (in season or not), I was giving an example of what COULD have happened even though all possible measures are taken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiemyf7 View Post
    Ok, well, how did the Doberman get through the window?

    And where was the JRT when the other dog got to it?
    Myf, I once witnessed first-hand my male Shepherd Kingdom coming full-tilt out a front lounge room window - on the second floor of the house!
    The window was actually floor to ceiling fixed glass. Well, it WAS before he decided to go through it, anyway.

    It wasn't for a bitch on heat, it was because both the dog and I perceived my son to be in danger at the time. Dogs can get through practically anything on occassions if they REALLY want to.

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    Don't leave your dogs home alone, cause you have just proved anything can happen.
    If you have bitch and dog under your roof, send one to a friend/family member.
    Get the dog an above ground crate.
    Look, we are going in circles, and I have my opinion and you have yours.
    But there are ALWAYS ways to keep your dogs from getting pregnant or getting others pregnant and these 'accident' litters make up for a lot of our shelter dogs(as i said earlier).
    And again, as I said earlier, there is no such thing as a responsible accident litter.
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    True, as both yourself and Choppa have pointed out, this gets us all nowhere and is certainly taking away from the gist of Cleasanta's thread, so I will bow out and hopefully we can agree to disagree on this point. Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate View Post
    True, as both yourself and Choppa have pointed out, this gets us all nowhere and is certainly taking away from the gist of Cleasanta's thread, so I will bow out and hopefully we can agree to disagree on this point. Cheers.
    Me too, sorry Cleasanta.

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    Pei rescue - the Swedish way sounds like an overbearing nanny state to be honest. How ludicrous that you would have to take your dog with you if you were leaving it for more than 4 hours. That is way over the top and very disturbing in my view.

    To the comment on blends vs purebreds in pounds, although I don't have exact figures I can say unequivocally that blends out number purebreds in pounds. Looking at it objectively however, there are more blends in this world than purebreds anyway. Purebreds in reality make up only a small proportion of dogs in Australia.

    (Blends = crossbreds)
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    I was having a chat to Steve yesterday about the issues of pet shops selling animals...that the pets going through there would be coming from mass producing "breeders" of either pure or cross breeds.

    Grab yourself a cup of coffee and read the post

    I think a few things need to happen.

    Firstly, a ban on selling pets through pet shop...banning advertising them on the Net pages like GumTree etc and Newspapers etc. If you make it REALLY hard for the BYB's and Puppy mills to off load their puppies...then we have come a long way.

    Secondly, minimising cross breeds being bred...that includes the so called "designer" breeds, because they ARE cross breeds no matter what owners of them call them.

    Thirdly, dogs on limited register...cross breeds etc MUST be desexed BEFORE they leave "breeder"! Dogs on Main register who do not come up to scratch regarding health, temperament and breed standard...MUST be desexed and taken off Main Register! If people are hell bent on not desexing young pups...you could choose to give them vasectomy/tubal ligation and you know...they can not be bred from!

    I am not having a go at members who own cross breeds! We have had cross breeds...we didn't buy him as a puppy...we rescued him from the RSPCA at the age of 3.

    This is something I will be contacting the RSPCA about. I want to know in percentage...how many dogs that come through are crosses and how many are pure! It will not surprise me if at least 80% are some sort of cross breed!

    So...follow me here

    In a perfect world...cross breeding should be dramatically minimised. How do we do this though?

    Ok...first step is to stop the sale of pets on pet shops and ban advertising on the Net and newspapers.

    Second...it should be done so when you want a new puppy...you will have to contact Breed specific Clubs or the RSPCA/rescue groups. Sure...there will always be people breeding cross breeds anyway, but it would be a lot harder for them to off load their puppies.

    Breed Specific Clubs have litter notices on their website. If it was the norm having to contact them regarding puppies or contacting the RSPCA...then we would have come a long way.

    Some people might say...pure breds have health problems...that is why we want a cross bred dog. Well...cross breeds have health problems too. Instead of dealing with 1 breeds specific hereditary diseases...you are now dealing with multiple breeds hereditary diseases. By cross breeding...the health issues are spread all over the place with no chance in keeping track of it. By breeding pure breeds and registering...the hereditary diseases can be kept under control and tracked back to certain dogs.

    I am going to touch on the fact about Pitt Bulls here. An unregistered AmStaff is a Pitt Bull (said to be "a dangerous dog"). If it was made extremely difficult for "breeders" to breed and off load cross breeds or poor quality pure breeds...then we wouldn't have massive amounts of cross bred "AmStaffs" out there. Like with any breed...some specimens have problems that be behaviour...health...temperament etc. If a RESPONSIBLE breeder saw the aggressive traits in their AmStaff or whichever breed...they SHOULD not use this particular dog/bitch again for breeding. But because the gene pool has been spread all over the place with no way of tracking...we now have a massive amount of severely unbalanced, aggressive, anxious and/or oversubmissive dogs.

    People might say...well, if we can only breed pure breeds...what about in/line breeding. As much as you might like to think it is not happening now...it is! Line breeding is not necessarily a bad thing. Lets say you have a really good line in your dogs. The dogs are balanced, healthy, great temperament etc. You would almost do anything in your power to keep that line going.

    There is a difference between in-breeding and line breeding. Line breeding could be breeding uncle with niece or aunt with nephew...in-breeding is breeding Mum and son, Dad and daughter or sister and brother (this type of breeding is too close in my opinion!). If you have really good dogs...then you don't want to ruin that...why would you? Here is some trivia for you...did you know that the Rottweiler was almost made extinct with only ONE Rottweiler bitch remaining. All the Rottweiler lines eventually goes back to her...whether you want to call your Rottweiler German or American

    People don't have a problem with breeding cross breeds without any knowledge of those lines. Both those dogs could have massive problems genetically, but they still do it. And by that we end up with massive amounts of puppies with no way of tracking their health, temperament etc.

    I want to touch on the "pure" breeds. A GOOD breeder could choose to put your puppy on Main or Limited register. Some breeders put ALL their puppies on limited, because they don't want other people to breed their lines. Sadly however...this doesn't stop unregistered breeding. Some breeders look at the puppies and say...these 2 are show quality...these 4 are pet quality. They don't do it to be "nasty"...they do it because those 4 dogs simply are not good enough for showing/breeding! Still people go against the breeder's expert advice and still breed from pet quality dogs. How do we overcome this? I don't believe in desexing puppies at 8 weeks of age, but it might just be the ONLY way we can assure that our pet quality pups are NOT used for breeding! Some people offer a cash back when desexing...sorry, I don't think that works. If you buy a puppy with the intention of breeding with it...then the cash back means nothing.

    Story...when we got our Rottweiler...I absolutely loved "red ribbon" boy. As it turned out...he had massive overshot bite and we decided against it. He was sold by the breeder on limited register to some guy. This guy was told "red boy" was on limited due to bite issues. 3 days after he picked up "red boy" he contacted the breeder...said "why is he on limited register?"...breeder said "because he has massive bite problems"...guy said "well, I am going to breed with him anyway". What could she do about that?....absolutely nothing!

    I can only ever see TWO reasons why you would keep your dogs entire...if you are showing and if you intend to breed! A cross breed can't be shown and it shouldn't be used for breeding...so WHY keep it entire?!? I could have kept Sumo entire, but what was the point? He couldn't be used for showing and breeding. Some people say showing is a sport...I say that is bullsh*t. You show your dog/bitch to get point, so you can use for breeding later.
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    i only saw this thread, don't know if anyone else mentioned it, but they should ban all animals really, they just don't know how to keep them. i went into a pet shop once that sold piggies, they were underneath a huge layer of shreaded paper.. no food or water!! bird are kept in tiny cages with about 50 in one.

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