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    Sorry for the off topic guys!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChoppaChop View Post
    Sorry for the off topic guys!!
    Ha. I think it all went off-topic ages ago. Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiemyf7 View Post
    I added a bit. Just waiting for the go ahead from Mags.

    Puppy Mills
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    The following information is intended to educate about the sad reality of 'Puppy Mills'/ Puppy farming.
    Many of us just don't know about the horrible truth of puppy farming and the fact that it's happening right here in Australia. The fact that dogs are treated like battery hens, kept in cages, usually filthy and bred over and over for their entire lives - All for profit. The fact that many of the 'Puppy Mills' pups will have health and/or temperament problems as there is little concern from the 'Millers' when it comes to that, as it's all about the $, and the huge impact puppy farming has on Animal Welfare and Rescue groups.
    This farmer claimed; ‘healthy pets, raised indoors’

    (picture here) (picture here)
    'How do you know a dog will have puppies that have stable temperaments and make great house pets - when you're breeding from dogs that have never been one'..
    Helping them is incredibly easy
    Do not buy puppies from the newspapers, over the internet, pet classified and most importantly pet stores; this is how puppy farmers make their money
    Want a puppy? How about the RSPCA, Lost Dogs Home or a registered, responsible breeder, who breeds to better, not profit.
    The fewer puppies they sell, the more likely they are to go out of business and close down.

    (picture here)
    'Grooming & bathing is non-existent in Puppy mill dogs. This dog has heavy, urine soaked dreadlocks causing it enormous pain. It is also suffering from ear and eye infections'

    For more information please look go to: http://www.wheredopuppiescomefrom.com.au/
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    Quote Originally Posted by cate0404 View Post
    My parents are beagle breeders, they also show and my Dad is a hound judge. They live in the country, the dogs are in "large" pens, big enough to run around and play, there is also a perimeter fence. The golden oldie's and the ex show dogs are de-sexed and the current show dogs are not. The other day the "yard" dog went off his nutter barking and carrying on so out Mum goes to investigate. There is a little entire jack russell cross running around the pens behind the boundary fence looking for a way to get in. My Mum then went out to Bunnings spent countless money and a couple of days with my Dad putting up chicken wire around the boundary fence so the little dog couldn't get in again.
    My parents have just had a litter that they have waited about five years for until Mum was retired and ready to start looking after pups again, due to complications there was a great deal of money spent with both labour and pups.
    My parents sell their pups for $900 to people that are first "talked out of" wanting a beagle then met with a few times and then they have to decide whether they want a pup and my parents want a reason WHY they want a pup, WHY they want a beagle and WHAT they are looking for out of this pup.
    My parents also rescue beagles in need and donate their own time and money towards the bettering of the beagle breed.
    So why is that in the last month I have walked past the pet shop and seen 6 different beagle cross pups on 4 different occasions selling for $950?
    If you want a beagle go to a breeder and you will get yourself a "discount" generally at great loss "profit" wise to the breeders!
    Hi, Steve "CleasantasLittleHelper" here (too lazy to log the missus out and log myself in).

    From what you've written, your parents are the sort of people who should be breeding and it shows that pet shops are not always a cheap option compared to registered breeders of show quality stock.

    However, without wishing to name names or suggest the situation this thread is trying to address is hopeless, I know of registered breeders, actively involved in a specialty breed club, who have bred for what appears to be no other reason than profit, knowing that the parents' traits/behaviours were not complimentary, and who have done so on more than one occasion.

    They certainly didn't do it to "improve the breed" and at best, may have bred using their hearts rather than their heads. The point I'm trying to make is that being a registered breeder doesn't ensure responsible breeding.

    Furthermore, it has been suggested that cross-breeds are the main problem in terms of surrendered dogs, but pure-breeding can result in unhealthy pups due to a "too shallow" gene pool. Indeed I'm sure I have read (or perhaps a vet told me????) that health issues are biggest with pure-breds because of irresponsible in-breeding. It would be interesting to know the %age of purebred dogs surrendered/dumped v. cross-breds (the %age being calculated against their respective populations in Australia eg: 5% of purebreeds are surrendered v. 10% of cross-breeds). This might establish, generally speaking, whether registered breeders are responsible breeders who use their best endeavours to sell their pups to 'forever homes' or if they are, generally speaking, no better than the BYB's and mills.

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    I do know of a few "registered breeder's" that should not be breeding and I also know that I am probably a bit more vocal than is politically correct in voicing these opinions. I will not go into a pet store that sells animals and now neither will any of my friends. My kids talk about it at school and they talk about Millie and where we got her from, any chance I get I am boring people with Millie's details and where she came from and why I went to where I went to get her. I am also a current foster carer so my kids talk about that. I think what Cleasanta is doing is great but we also need more people talking and more people thinking before they act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChoppaChop View Post
    ok , ok , ok.......
    So who is responsible then ?

    Or do you seriously believe that anyone who owns an entire dog is deemed automaticly irrisponsible .

    Your little aside about breeders keeping them on other sides of the house seperated by 3/4 doors is not exactly a selling point Many oops have happened due to musical doors even with the best intentions.
    Your job, as an owner of an entire dog is to keep that dog from getting pregnant or getting others pregnant. If in anyway you fail this job, you are being irresponsible.
    You have to do everything and anything neccessary.
    There is no such thing as a responsible accident litter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiemyf7 View Post
    Your job, as an owner of an entire dog is to keep that dog from getting pregnant or getting others pregnant. If in anyway you fail this job, you are being irresponsible.
    You have to do everything and anything neccessary.
    There is no such thing as a responsible accident litter.
    Sorry Myf , I wish I could see life as clear cut as you do,perhaps its an age thing

    We dont agree on this and going back and forth isn't going to change it.
    However,should life ever send you one of its favourite curve balls,please feel free to quietly say , Bugga you Chop!
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    Maybe not myf - but sometimes there are mitigating circumstances that have to be taken into account.

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    Feel free to give me a circumstance!

    You do realise a lot of these accidents are the ones in our shelters don't you?

    PS. Healthy debate Renee, I still love you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cate0404 View Post
    I know of a woman (this is quite a few years back now) who had a little maltese that was in season. She did all the right things, the dog was inside locked in a bedroom/ensuite while she was at work. She came home to her lounge room window smashed, fearing a break in she called the police who arrived 20 mins later. The whole time the lady waited in her car. when the police allowed her to go inside she found her maltese and a DOBERMAN that had decided that going through the window AND the bedroom door was a small price to pay to be able to get into the girl in heat.
    Sometimes it doesn't matter what you do - dogs will sometimes go to extremes to get what they want!
    this was on the previous page myf, what if she had of come home and the dobe was gone and she had no idea what broke her window - then it became too late and she has a litter of pups. Or what about my parents as I said before, what if that jack russell cross got through and too late it's realised that instead of having pure bred show quality pups there having their worst nightmare come true. Sometimes the S ##tty things in life just happen and you deal with it as best you can.
    Last edited by cate0404; 12-03-2009 at 08:57 PM.

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