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    Hmmm, my new puppy will not be allowed to be de-sexed until of a suitable age because of that breed's growth rate.

    Yep, to be honest this is going to be a pain in the bum. Our fencing is over 6 foot. Our yard is in my eyes very private, inaccessable and unattainable. For the average dog. I'm not sure I would call an alert dog who can smell a bitch in season a mile away the average dog though. Lol.

    So yes, I will be doing everything I can to ensure that if I end up with a female puppy, she will be beside us and locked in with us as much as possible through any season she has prior to being de-sexed.

    But what if by some obscure chance that I currently find unfathomable, she becomes pregnant?

    Would I refer to myself as a back yard breeder? Certainly not. Perhaps others would though?

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    Cleasanta I would love to see what you end up sending to Tony Burke, I would love to send something similar to my local member and the state equivalent.

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    Oh my god its so hard. I don't know where to begin!
    Education not Legislation

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    Quote Originally Posted by TinaG View Post
    Cleasanta I would love to see what you end up sending to Tony Burke, I would love to send something similar to my local member and the state equivalent.
    Me too!!

    And DA - I wouldn't consider you as a BYBer. I think of a BYBer as someone who breeds without the dog's best interests in mind. I would also include people who have un-neutered dogs. But if it were an accident ie your hypothetical situation, or a breeder's accidental litter then I wouldn't consider that to be BYBing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiemyf7 View Post
    Oh my god its so hard. I don't know where to begin!
    Ok, so what are the main points we want to get across?

    We want it to be informative, not accusatory.

    Have a website for further info.

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    well, I've never had that happen in my life actually, but it IS possible, I guess. Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren View Post
    Ok, so what are the main points we want to get across?

    We want it to be informative, not accusatory.

    Have a website for further info.
    Exactly, informative, not whack them around the head with the facts.

    Find a reason to MAKE ppl WANT to consider your points.

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    See this is what I have so far, but I think theres too much writing.

    Backyard Breeders, Puppy Mills and Pet Shops
    What is a ‘backyard breeder’? An owner who is not registered with any sort of applicable state association, breeds dogs or cats for money or breeds by accident.
    What is a puppy mill? A large scale ‘farm’ that breeds puppies in large quantities, also for profit.
    So what’s the problem with BYB’s? Dogs from BYB’s are often mixed breeds or ‘designer breeds’ that have filled shelters and pounds for years. Dogs should only ever be bred to improve the breed, but because these people are doing it for the sake of it, they don’t worry about the pet’s temperament or health. Once the dog has left the mother and home, they no longer have consideration for the pup, whereas a registered, responsible breeder will often take back no longer wanted puppies/dogs. BYB’s often create names for their mutts, to make them sound more desirable. A ‘Morkie’ is not a breed. It is a Maltese X Yorkshire terrier. Want a mix bred? Shelters have hundreds already there and ready to go.
    What’s the problem with puppy mills? These dogs are kept for the sole purpose of producing puppies. They will often get pregnant every heat (every six months) which is no way healthy for the mother and therefore not healthy for the puppies. They have been likened to battery hens, kept in small, dirty cages or pens and no human company for their entire life. Sure, they’re legal in Australia, as long as they meet the minimum standard of care; food, water, shelter.
    What do pet shops have to do with it? Puppy mill ‘breeders’ will often sell their puppies to pet shops. It’s quick, easy and no longer has to worry about what happens to them. Although the puppies look clean, healthy and happy, you don’t know how their mothers are suffering back at the farm.
    What can you do? By buying puppies from pet shops, you are supporting the breeding of dogs in puppy mills. Without people to sell too, puppy mills will run out of business and be forced to close down.

    Theres just so much I want to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiemyf7 View Post
    Absolutely!
    I'll get started on one now and show you guys. You can add anything, make your own or use mine if you want to do it around your neighbourhood

    Oh and btw, definition of a back yard breeder: An owner whose pet may have an unplanned litter by accident, or who breeds on purpose. Common reasons cited include: making extra money ...
    Sorry to point you out specifically Aussie but I'm using you as an example as there are so many people whom feel this way!

    I agree .........to some extent.................depending on the circumstances!

    I think alot of you know my story now and you have all given me excellent advice however if going by what Aussie just wrote I AM A BYB!! However most of you dont class me as one due to my circumstances..............also known as a "oops litter"!


    My definition of a BYB is someone who's bitch has an "oops litter" because their bitch is not desexed FOR NO GOOD REASON!

    Also someone (not a registered breeder) whom states that they are "doing it for the love of the breed"! If they loved their breed they WOULDNT!

    I am especially biased about my breed however I know practically nothing!

    what......colour, size, temperament?? does this make a perfect dog? NO!

    I am not a registered breeder therefore I DO NOT INTEND TO BREED as I know nothing about how to get these beautiful characteristics that I love so much!

    IF YOU WANT TO BREED DO IT RIGHT!!! BECOME A REGISTERED BREEDER!!!

    I suppose I have gotten a little bit hot headed here ....what I am trying to say is that not ALL people are BYB it depends on their individual circumstances!

    I am not having a go at you Aussie but you were the perfect example

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate View Post
    Hmmm, my new puppy will not be allowed to be de-sexed until of a suitable age because of that breed's growth rate.

    Yep, to be honest this is going to be a pain in the bum. Our fencing is over 6 foot. Our yard is in my eyes very private, inaccessable and unattainable. For the average dog. I'm not sure I would call an alert dog who can smell a bitch in season a mile away the average dog though. Lol.

    So yes, I will be doing everything I can to ensure that if I end up with a female puppy, she will be beside us and locked in with us as much as possible through any season she has prior to being de-sexed.

    But what if by some obscure chance that I currently find unfathomable, she becomes pregnant?

    Would I refer to myself as a back yard breeder? Certainly not. Perhaps others would though?
    Ok...show dogs are kept entire for a reason...they are show dog and POTENTIALLY to be used for breeding IF they come up to scratch. If you have a registered dog, but do not show it...then I see no reasons why it should be kept entire. If you have an unregistered dog...it should be desexed before the age of 6 months!

    We have that problem now. Ruby has just gone into her first season and she is just under 7 months old. Hubby said...I think I will take Ruby with me to cricket this Saturday for socialisation...I said NOOOOOOO...are you crazy?!?!?!? Her season started Saturday...she will be bleeding for about 9 days and will then be "ready". There is no way in hell she is going ANYWHERE. She uses the backyard to go to the toilet...we have tall gates and extra closed off area to keep Sumo away from garden beds...but is that to say a dog wouldn't be able to get in...probably not! Dogs have gone through plated glass doors to get to females in heat, so what are a few gates gonna do?

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