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    I expect that the alcohol we drink does just as much damage.

    Far more, actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate View Post
    I actually agree with that comment 110%! My mother is not well, and continually begs me to make sure she is not suffering or simply being - not living.


    I have made my promise. Now somehow I must keep it one day in the future. That will be VERY difficult.

    Why oh why do I keep going off-topic. I'm sorry Judge...again.
    I couldn't do it even though my mother pleaded with me. I didn't want her to be in pain but I could not do it. I tried, I really did try to push myself to help her. I simply couldn't do it. I imagine that some of what I felt then is what Judge is feeling now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne View Post
    I couldn't do it even though my mother pleaded with me. I didn't want her to be in pain but I could not do it. I tried, I really did try to push myself to help her. I simply couldn't do it. I imagine that some of what I felt then is what Judge is feeling now.
    I understand what you are saying. Unlike both yourself and Judge I am not yet in that situation. All I can do is confidently believe I will have the strength to grant her final request of me.

    I feel for you, Judge. So many people say 'oh really, it's just a dog' but they just don't get it. Tyson is not 'just a dog', he is a part of you. Nothing is easy when it comes to emotions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne View Post
    I can so relate to that. I had to watch both my mother and father die long slow painful deaths 11 years ago. They died within 5.5 months of each other. It is disgusting that we allow humans to die in such a way.
    I can't agree with you enough Anne..
    I watched my father deteriorate rapidly in June this year. 3 years earlier, he had a stroke and it was slowly downhill from there.
    He could not walk and dementure slowly took its hold on his mind. He became bedridden in Hospital from May 17th this year... Why do I remember the date ? Well, that was his birthday and I phoned him.. No answer.. Tried many times during the next 24 hours not understanding why he did not answer... Makes it worse when I live in Brisbane and he in Lithgow. 24 hours later, I discovered he did hear me ringing. Only he was totally unable to move and had been on the floor of his unit for 3 days before a neighbour found him. I felt really bad..
    He spent the last 2 months in hospital unable to do anything himself.
    I knew in my heart, all he wanted to do was die. He was a proud man who could never ask for help and always insisted on doing things himself despite his worsening condition. If only I could have done something sooner to help his passing, as I know he would have been grateful. He hated the way he was...
    This is the 1 thing I had not mentioned here till now as this happened so very close to the passing of my 2 lovely cats and our beloved Keeshonds..
    Sorry Anne... I had to reply

    oh and sorry to go off topic..
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    Mitte, I think all posters here feel the same way about their dogs in that regard, so I think that Judge may forgive us for getting so off-topic on this occasion.

    I'm genuinely sorry to hear about the passing of your father. That must have been a horrific experience for you, not to mention your father.

    I personally believe euthanasia of humans is a topic that many don't feel comfortable discussing, which is a shame - as when ppl do start talking about it, well just maybe the world's perception of it will change. One can only hope.

    We give this dignity to our pets whom we love with everything in our hearts, why oh why can't we give it our other loved ones also?

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    Jugde I feel for you and Tyson. I don't personally believe he would feel much at all when actually in a seizure. But it is the recovery from it which may take a toll. You'll be the best to observe whether he is finding it harder to recover each time or whether it is much the same.

    I do hope things work out as best they can for you both.

    And Pits do appear through the pound and RSPCA shelter in Canberra where there are no laws against them if you are looking to adopt one further down the track. But it's quite a distance from you I know.

    Hugs to you both.

    xo

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    I don't know about fits and brain cells. I have a friend who is epileptic. She had a fit in the passenger seat of my car, which was nice - she couldn't hurt herself but still very freaky for me. She had warned me all about it but hadn't mentioned she wouldn't remember who she was or who I was or where she was for 20 minutes after - probably because she didn't remember that bit. So I guess that could be dead brain cells?

    She did seem to fully recover after. No ongoing missing brain cells after. As far as I know the (human?) brain is considered fairly "plastic", and if these cells die, then these other cells can take over their role, or even new cells grow. There's a limit but I don't think a fit makes a huge difference. It does depend a bit why the dog is fitting. Ie a stroke or cancer do make a huge difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitte View Post
    I can't agree with you enough Anne..
    I watched my father deteriorate rapidly in June this year. 3 years earlier, he had a stroke and it was slowly downhill from there.
    He could not walk and dementure slowly took its hold on his mind. He became bedridden in Hospital from May 17th this year... Why do I remember the date ? Well, that was his birthday and I phoned him.. No answer.. Tried many times during the next 24 hours not understanding why he did not answer... Makes it worse when I live in Brisbane and he in Lithgow. 24 hours later, I discovered he did hear me ringing. Only he was totally unable to move and had been on the floor of his unit for 3 days before a neighbour found him. I felt really bad..
    He spent the last 2 months in hospital unable to do anything himself.
    I knew in my heart, all he wanted to do was die. He was a proud man who could never ask for help and always insisted on doing things himself despite his worsening condition. If only I could have done something sooner to help his passing, as I know he would have been grateful. He hated the way he was...
    This is the 1 thing I had not mentioned here till now as this happened so very close to the passing of my 2 lovely cats and our beloved Keeshonds..
    Sorry Anne... I had to reply

    oh and sorry to go off topic..
    Mitte, the father of your story shares very similar lines to mine.

    My father at the time was living on his own as my parents separated only months before this. They still saw each other daily. Dad had been looking very frail and without mum being there I was worried. I had asked his neighbours to keep an eye on him. I luckily lived only 5 minutes away and my my mother had moved in acorss the road from me.

    One day I was at work when Dad's neighbours phoned me to say that they could not get hold of dad. His car was in the drive, the house was locked but he hadn't been outside to collect his mail (he and the neighbours were very much creatures of habit). They had knocked on his door many times throughout the day and tried to phone but there was no answer so they thought it best to contact me.

    I left work straight away and let myself into his house with my keys. I found him in bed. He was soaked in urine, dazed and confused. He had suffered a massive stroke sometime during the night it would seem as he was still in pj's. He couldn't move though, except for one arm and he was only answering in single word sentences.

    To cut a long story short, he was then 99% incapacitated and was placed into a nursing home. He was never able to walk again or feed himself. He remained aware of his surroundings to a degree and recognised us and things we said for some time but was never able to give any more than a one word answer of yes, no and hello. He then began to deteriorate rapidly a few years later.

    I spoke to his Doc who felt it was probably cancer. We decided not to treat him as he had already lived as a vegetable for over 4 years. He lived another 6 months.

    My father was a strong and vibrant man who was reduced to living in 24hour care, wearing nappies and being fed by a spoon for almost 4.5 years before he finally succumbed to his fate. How dare we as a civilised country allow people to lose all dignity and die a slow, drawn out and painful death over such a length of time.


    Judge, I hope this morning finds you and Tyson both doing fine.
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    A realist just finishes the damn thing and refills it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
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    She did seem to fully recover after. No ongoing missing brain cells after. As far as I know the (human?) brain is considered fairly "plastic", and if these cells die, then these other cells can take over their role, or even new cells grow. There's a limit but I don't think a fit makes a huge difference. It does depend a bit why the dog is fitting. Ie a stroke or cancer do make a huge difference.

    I am not sure that is correct actually. When brain cells die they do not regenerate. The brain has to find a new pathway to other cells instead. Stroke victims begin to regain mobility slowly due to this process.

    In the case of my father, he had been invovled in a major work accident with a crane dropping a steel girder on to him when I was a small girl. This left him with almost 1/3 of his brain incapacitated. It was a miracle that he learnt to walk and talk again and re-gained an almost normal life. The stroke, although not big enough to kill him then damaged even more of his brain. There simply was not enough of it left undamaged for new pathways to be found, hence why he never regained any movement.
    A pessimist sees the glass as half empty;
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    Anne

    I'd agree that brain regeneration is relatively poor but it does happen. There's lots of research on stroke recovery, new neurons growing, stem cells helping (cells from the patient), new pathways (as you said), and in the case of soldiers with head injuries in Iraq - injecting them with some sort of "hydrogel" that faciliates the growth of new cells.

    It's very exciting. And it can help stroke victims, people with parkinsons, MS, brain injuries, altzheimers etc.

    Too late for your father though. Just like the new research in helping prostate cancer is too late for my father.

    ps forgot the links (but there's heaps more out there)
    http://sunnybrook.ca/research/?page=...ups_brain_proj

    http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ke.html?cat=70

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1223092924.htm

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