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    "I would be charging $150-$300 and donating any profits to a dog charity or shelter."

    I like that idea of donating profits from the sales. Thanks, makes me feel a tad better about accepting money for them as I did not want to profit from this, just do the best for all concerned.

    I wonder what Occy would have done if a close family member etc had put her in this situation if she also had the dog at her place a lot. Probably nothing so as not to impinge on the ideas she holds so strongly...to the detriment of the dog. When you can not change a given situation, did not even know of it's existence till it was too late, you have to adapt and do the best that you can.

    New, I am geographically hard to find so I will be allowing only those who have phoned me, been questioned to then come and meet the pups so I can suss them out a second time and then yes, they can come back a third time if I deem them fit.
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    Quote "No idea who you are Cleasanta - but you obviously haven't read my posts...just the last one. Isn't it sweet that you spend your pity on a stranger who doesn't need it? You must be so terribly kind. Googling, it appears you breed staffys - have a chat to Donna about how many are in rescue and then tell me pet quality pups shouldn't be desexed?"

    Occy...I don't BREED Staffies...I own a prefix and own 2 Staffies and NO, HAVE NOT YET BRED ANYTHING!!!! My girl is 6 months old and if she is not good enough for show and/or within the standard and healthy...she will be desexed too. My 8 month old Staffy boy is being desexed tomorrow due to having allergies that might be genetic and he doesn't comply with the Standard!

    It is quite obvious you do not like Di-Dee...that doesn't mean you have to be directly nasty and downright rude. There are ways to say things and times for ignoring! I NEVER said pet quality puppies should not be desexed...as a matter of fact they should AND so should show quality pets who DO NOT come up to scratch!!! They should be desexed around 6 months, so they have had time to develop. Male staffies (when desexed early) do not develop properly and don't bulk out like they are supposed to due to lack of Testosterone...females due to lack of oestrogen!

    It is not the fact that you voice your opinion...it is in fact the way you do it. It is rude, offensive, nasty and singleminded!

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    Hi Di Dee

    Frosty was desexed & microchipped at 8 weeks and as best I can tell she's fine. Toilet training slightly more difficult because she won't mark over other dog's (my) pee. There's lots of pros and cons for the dogs healthwise - some health risks are improved and some are made worse. You might want to chat with your favourite vet to see what their opinion is - with the latest research to hand and probably a lot more data on early desexing available.

    But if you decide not to - maybe you could include in the price, a discount voucher - good for a year - with your favourite vet to get the dogs desexed. Or a kind of rebate system, where if they send you details for the booking for the op - you can send that vet the money (after phoning them to verify). Your favourite vet should have an idea of how to make that work gracefully. If the dogs all go to homes relatively local to your favourite vet (who might be able to help place puppies too), you could just put the money to the vet as credit on your account against future vet fees, and transfer it as the puppies get desexed.

    Note - I would give the discount money to the vet, not the new puppy owner - though if you can't trust the dog owner... eek.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleasanta View Post
    Quote "No idea who you are Cleasanta - but you obviously haven't read my posts...just the last one. Isn't it sweet that you spend your pity on a stranger who doesn't need it? You must be so terribly kind. Googling, it appears you breed staffys - have a chat to Donna about how many are in rescue and then tell me pet quality pups shouldn't be desexed?"

    Occy...I don't BREED Staffies...I own a prefix and own 2 Staffies and NO, HAVE NOT YET BRED ANYTHING!!!! My girl is 6 months old and if she is not good enough for show and/or within the standard and healthy...she will be desexed too. My 8 month old Staffy boy is being desexed tomorrow due to having allergies that might be genetic and he doesn't comply with the Standard!

    It is quite obvious you do not like Di-Dee...that doesn't mean you have to be directly nasty and downright rude. There are ways to say things and times for ignoring! I NEVER said pet quality puppies should not be desexed...as a matter of fact they should AND so should show quality pets who DO NOT come up to scratch!!! They should be desexed around 6 months, so they have had time to develop. Male staffies (when desexed early) do not develop properly and don't bulk out like they are supposed to due to lack of Testosterone...females due to lack of oestrogen!

    It is not the fact that you voice your opinion...it is in fact the way you do it. It is rude, offensive, nasty and singleminded!
    Hang on there...I don't dislike or like this person - I loathe what they are doing because I am a forward thinker and can see what is going to happen. I don't know her and I have never judged her as a person - I have judged the actions, unlike other people here who are immediately degenerating into namecalling and silly comments, I would rather not degenerate to that level.

    I apologise if I misunderstood - I googled and you are listed on the prefix search - I couldn't see another reason for a prefix aside from breeding??

    Have you got any evidence towards any health problems that early desexing causes? not bulking out is not a health consideration lol.

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    I actually agree with Occy, lol. I have never felt that she dislikes me or judged me as a "bad person" and neither have I with her. I do not agree with her venomous way of disagreeing with what I am doing. I feel it is to her own detriment doing it this way and to the forum as a whole as it may turn newbies away, but I do respect her right to her opinions as I have the right to mine.

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    Hi all

    I've got some more balanced links than the pet rescue one on desexing, including a very practical one, seems my idea of discount desexing - already done.

    Here - the national (Australian) desexing network, also has info on early desexing and how to get discount for desexing (especially early)
    National Desexing Network | Home

    The article on Pet Rescue is a bit confusing. It says 200,000 dogs and cats get euthanased (at the rate of 550 per day) and then says 200,000 healthy dogs and cats... Real numbers that are up to date are very difficult to find.

    AWL and RSPCA locally have the same animals on their websites for months - so I imagine they keep some of the ideal for re-homing animals for a long time and put down the ones that are dangerous or very ill first. So the 200,000 number may include a large percentage of these. Having to put down any animal just because a home can't be found for it is always going to be traumatic. For some of us, it's hard enough putting down an animal that terminally ill and suffering.

    So a couple more links to more balanced articles.
    arguments for early desexing (they actually suggest 3 months for a puppy dog):
    Desexing - Department of Primary Industries

    And AWL qld article and help
    AWL Queensland | Strategic News

    I'm a bit wary of "news" articles that have no dates on them. I'm also a bit wary of articles that are "extreme". I can understand anyone who works in Shelters being "extreme" though. It's either "extreme" or "cold" or burn out. It would be very frustrating.

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    So perhaps pups need to stay at home until theyre 12 weeks old?

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    Oh for goodness sake!

    Yes even if it was a Pit or Amstaff , and the whole situation was exactly the same,then I would still be offering help and hoping the person with the pups is not run off due to rudeness and hostility.

    A few puppy pics and now I'm besties ?
    No Occy,I am giving River a home. I would love to get back into Agility and Obediance Trials,something I cannot do with my Lopster.
    He will be desexed.

    And the difference here also is that these dogs areworking dogs,on property,remote farms at that. Di wants to do the right thing and desex Pretty but remembershe still hasto answer to herFIL who has a large say in the dogs life and what goeson.

    Isn't education better than ignoring
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    Ok I stopped reading halfway through the 2nd page, and I agree with Occy. I think these puppies need to be de-sexed. They were a mistake litter(which we all know) and by getting them nuetered and spayed, your preventing any more mistakes. If these people want un-desexed pups, then they should look at properly bred dogs.

    EXCEPT! Yes, you let a dog grow up too about 5-6 months old before getting spayed or snipped. Is it possible you could advise their new owners to get them de-sexed and explain why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChoppaChop View Post
    Oh for goodness sake!

    Yes even if it was a Pit or Amstaff , and the whole situation was exactly the same,then I would still be offering help and hoping the person with the pups is not run off due to rudeness and hostility.

    A few puppy pics and now I'm besties ?
    No Occy,I am giving River a home. I would love to get back into Agility and Obediance Trials,something I cannot do with my Lopster.
    He will be desexed.

    And the difference here also is that these dogs areworking dogs,on property,remote farms at that. Di wants to do the right thing and desex Pretty but remembershe still hasto answer to herFIL who has a large say in the dogs life and what goeson.

    Isn't education better than ignoring
    You're being hypocritical choppa going on past performance - then again, you are getting a pup so must stay on the right side of the "breeder". Wouldn't want her to change her mind. Congrats, I am sure this is a decision that you spend a lot of time making and I hope this dog works out for you.

    People who are open are the only ones who can be educated.

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