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Thread: Bit of a Delema. Your Thoughts?

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    Some people have a field day of making others feel miserable...they thrive on it! They think they know everything and often do not know a lot! They think they are better than others, but often know they are not! They do this, because they don't know how to communicate in a proper manner and lack people skills!

    All I can say is...get a life and honestly...I feel sorry for you.

    I can't help wonder Occy...why are you in this forum, when most of your posts have some sort of indifferent, degrading or vile comment UNLESS of course the person agrees with what you are saying.

    I am a registered breeder...my prefix is Cleasanta...I WILL NOT be desexing my pet quality pups at a young age...you have a problem with that...tough luck! I will be happy to take on this subject with you.

    You have your strong opinions and I have mine. Just remember...with every action...there is a reaction. A forum is in place to find knowledge...ask questions etc. It is not made for individuals to use as their outlet for nastiness...rudness...vile and hurtful comments. In life you get as you give...it is Karma. Treat people as you would like to be treated.

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    Thanks Mimi. Well said, Clea. (we posted together.)

    I could have left her to whelp over there but felt it was much more responsible to make sure the dog I had fallen in love with had the very best care to get her through this unplanned time. I am very proud of myself, I must say, as in the beginning I knew nothing, never encountering that situation before now as my males were desexed and females older rehomes. (one from a step sister who could not take a GSD where she was moving to and the other after the drowning death of her owner) I have never encountered seasons, through choice.
    Last edited by Di_dee1; 11-08-2009 at 10:07 AM. Reason: Clea and I posted same time...and punctuation.

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    And THAT my dear...is what forums are REALLY supposed to be used for! Asking guidance...questions...gain knowledge and listen to other people's stories

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    Hi Di-dee..

    aww sorry i cant offer you advice as i'm not in the know. Wishing all best for the puppies

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    Quote Originally Posted by Di_dee1 View Post
    As for some people sitting behind pc screens with cat's bum pursed mouths,
    That's funny. I thought I was the only one who used this expression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChoppaChop View Post
    Geeze Occy!!
    Can you get any ruder ? I understand you see no need in sugar coating things but that was just pretty nasty really.

    Di did the best she could in a situation not of her making.
    There are many who do not agree with desexing young,does that make them irisponsible as well,including the Registered Breeders and so forth ?

    Di hasnow welped them and is taking all possible precautions she can considering that her FIL still has a say in this matter don't forget.

    I would be charging $150 Di and I certainly dont mind paying it forRiverif you'd like

    Pot calling the kettle black much there chops? DiDee is a lost cause and is now on my ignore list - it's sad but I will make a bet with you that this happens again.

    Anyone who does not desex an unregistered dog that should not be bred from - as these dogs are - is irresponsible. There is a tide to stem and people who beat the drum against early desexing.

    I never said I believe in early desexing - I don't - however, I believe less in the integrity of people and the risk is worth it if it stops the dog being used as a puppy farm and to stem the tide. So called working dogs are a dime a dozen in pounds.

    There has to be measure in looking at this - cooing at puppy pics is certainly not going to foster that. These are dogs - and they will have the ability to create more dogs.

    I find it amusing that because you've seen a few cute puppy pics, all of a sudden you are besties with someone who is going to knowingly add to the dogs in the point

    What if it was a pit or an amstaff? I have seen you having a go at new people here who are breeding a breed that is after all not recognised by many bodies - what makes this person any better?

    No idea who you are Cleasanta - but you obviously haven't read my posts...just the last one. Isn't it sweet that you spend your pity on a stranger who doesn't need it? You must be so terribly kind. Googling, it appears you breed staffys - have a chat to Donna about how many are in rescue and then tell me pet quality pups shouldn't be desexed?

    Why is it when certain members gang up on people it's ok and when others dare to speak it becomes something different again.

    Here's some interesting reading
    The tragic truth about cats and dogs | PetRescue's Information Library

    550 dogs pts every day...

    5500 in 10 days

    55,000 in 100 days

    that's around 200,000 dogs put down a year if my maths is vaguely correct.

    Every breeder carries some responsibility for that and when i get a dog that is good enough for breeding, I too will carry some of that responsibility. It amazes me how people assume that because they breed registered dogs they hold no stake in those in the pound.

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    look i think this is geting out of hand, i think everyone has the right to express their own opinion (about topics which are not hurtful to others.) occy, i think the issue here is the way you voice your opinions, try to be guide and help people rather than attack them when you dont agree with their actions. not all people have the same experience you do and we all need to learn from our mistakes, to improve in the future.
    vets recommend desexing is done between 5 and 6 months, and for di feeding and looking after these puppies until then will be hard work, so i think selling them desexed is not lodgical, perhaps di could recomend that they get desexed to new owners or perhaps design some sort of condition of sale contract where by new owners garantee they are desexed (may not be feesable but who knows?).....i think she has done well and looked after the dog and pups to the best of her abilities, and you need to give her credit for this. guys please dont have a go at occy, in the same manner he/she has a go at you, two wrongs dont make a right.....

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    Laura - perhaps so, but I would rather help people who want to change their situation, not people who simply want to be validated for it lol. Read that link regarding early desexing - it suggests that there is no more risk to pups but that before and aftercare are a little different. There is some talk about desexing early affecting how the pup grows but i haven't seen any evidence to show that early desexing is detrimental to a non-breeding animal.

    Anyway...two wrongs make a baby wrong!

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    i think there are some issues with desexing early in regards to hormone levels ( and hormone levels, can trigger growth) and ive heard there can be issues with young pups reaction to the anesthetic...

    i dont think di is asking to be validated occ i just think she is making the best out of a bad situation, and is sharing her story. she should'nt hide away, she sould ask for advice and tell her story so that other people can see just how hard it is and how much time needs to be put into a litter of pups.

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    I know this isn't the place for the desex early debate, but I desexed my boy at 13months old and now wish I had waited longer- it completely stopped his growth!

    Di_Dee it sounds like you are trying to do the right thing and don't want to profit out of this, but have you considered donating the profits to the RSPCA or a local dog shelter? I really unless a pup is going to a home that you know, you should charge a price. I say this because just today I was asked how much my dog cost me (a bit rude I thought!) by another dog owner at a dog beach. I reluctantly told her (mainly cause I didn't want to be rude by telling her it was an inappropriate question) and then she promptly called across to her husband and said "we only need $xxxx and we can buy one of these!" She didn't seem to be joking either! I had to get into the whole, yes, but that's the least of the cost, the costs of food, insurance, vet bills, worming, boarding etc etc are all relative to the size of the dog!

    I think some times people think the purchase price of a dog is the most expensive part of dog ownership, and that by having 'free to good home' people who may not be able to afford the cost of dog ownership are more likely to think it is obtainable.

    Another good way to ensure people are keen for the dog, is to allow them to come and see it once and tell them to go away and think about it. If they contact you again you know that it is not just a 'good idea at the time' thing or they were just overcome with the cuteness of the puppy and 'needed it now.' By meeting them a couple times you can also get a sense of what they are like and whether they are likely to be good owners or a good fit for the puppy- a bit of extra peace of mind.

    I would be charging $150-$300 and donating any profits to a dog charity or shelter.

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