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    I do not believe in desexing so young, a personal thing, same as back when my boys were babies and circumcision was the norm I said no. That they would be given the choice themselves later in life.
    I feel in the case of very young pups that waiting till they are older, when lungs and body are a bit more mature that then having an anesthetic and surgical procedure is better for them. We are all entitled to our opinions and this is mine, always has been.
    We are not in a city or large town where overpopulation is a problem like bigger areas.

    New Owners will be well quizzed with innocuous sounding questions to see where they stand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by di_dee1 View Post
    i do not believe in desexing so young.
    hear hear!!!

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    If you don't desex these pups before they go to new homes you are more irresponsible than I first thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occy View Post
    If you don't desex these pups before they go to new homes you are more irresponsible than I first thought.
    I have no problem with that at all, Occy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Di_dee1 View Post
    I have no problem with that at all, Occy.
    You have no problems with being irresponsible? Well yes...that is obvious. Poor dog...poor puppies...and their puppies...and their puppies...I wonder how many will die in pounds because of your "objection" to early desexing.

    You missed the chance to be responsible and prevent the dog getting pregnant, you then missed the chance to be responsible by aborting the puppies, so now is your chance to be responsible. Those pups lives are in your hands...and their futures are you responsibility...let us hope you finally wake up to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occy View Post
    You have no problems with being irresponsible? Well yes...that is obvious. Poor dog...poor puppies...and their puppies...and their puppies...I wonder how many will die in pounds because of your "objection" to early desexing.

    You missed the chance to be responsible and prevent the dog getting pregnant, you then missed the chance to be responsible by aborting the puppies, so now is your chance to be responsible. Those pups lives are in your hands...and their futures are you responsibility...let us hope you finally wake up to that.

    I like the ignore function here...


    Ohhh, so do I lol. Apparently the fact that it is not my bitch, belongs to my FIl and I had no idea till I saw her change in shape, vet's advice means nothing to you, too late to abort, that I have taken over doing the best for her also means nothing. Oh well, you know best. Toodlepip.
    Last edited by Di_dee1; 11-07-2009 at 08:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occy View Post
    You have no problems with being irresponsible? Well yes...that is obvious. Poor dog...poor puppies...and their puppies...and their puppies...I wonder how many will die in pounds because of your "objection" to early desexing.

    You missed the chance to be responsible and prevent the dog getting pregnant, you then missed the chance to be responsible by aborting the puppies, so now is your chance to be responsible. Those pups lives are in your hands...and their futures are you responsibility...let us hope you finally wake up to that.

    I like the ignore function here...

    Geeze Occy!!
    Can you get any ruder ? I understand you see no need in sugar coating things but that was just pretty nasty really.

    Di did the best she could in a situation not of her making.
    There are many who do not agree with desexing young,does that make them irisponsible as well,including the Registered Breeders and so forth ?

    Di hasnow welped them and is taking all possible precautions she can considering that her FIL still has a say in this matter don't forget.

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    Di-dee...I think you have done a marvelous job with this bitch and her puppies. You educated yourself about doggy pregnancy...raising the pups and how to look after Mummy. I can't just sit here and not say anything about these comments though.

    Look...I am a STRONG believer in desexing dogs/bitches that are not to be used for show and/or breeding ON PAPERS (as you would know from other posts). Of course it is not your fault she got pregnant...I do however have a problem with FIL wanting to breed with her "at a later stage". What exactly was the reason for this? She is an unregistered bitch, so I can't see what he would gain from that. If it was because he wanted one of the puppies for himself...well, I think that is a tad stupid and very selfish...pardon my language. A litter can be up to 12 pups and he only wanted 1? So what was going to happen to the rest of the puppies. Were they just going to be given away to people who really didn't want them and eventually end up at the pound?!?

    Vets recommend that dogs are not desexed until the age of 5-6 months.Anasthetics are rough on the system and I don't think many Vets would be happy desexing an 8 week old puppy for those reasons. General anaesthetics are not something to mess around with and can be fatal if the puppy's body can't handle it.

    Occy...I think you comments regarding "You missed the chance to be responsible and prevent the dog getting pregnant, you then missed the chance to be responsible by aborting the puppies, so now is your chance to be responsible" are out of line! If you had read the threads regarding this pregnancy and puppies...you would have known that the bitch in question is NOT her bitch...she had an ultrasound done, but it was too late to abort and she had no idea the bitch was pregnant until she started changing shape!

    I do not agree with breeding unregistered puppies Occy (as you would know if you have read my threads) and certainly do not agree with keeping dogs/bitches entire for the sake of it and because "I would like a puppy later, so I'll breed with her then".

    You are entitled to your opinion, but fair has to be fair. I think your comments were hurtful and downright nasty!

    True...the ignore function is a great tool...and possibly a bit of a cop-out, so you don't have to read peoples reply to you. If you have an opinion...at least be big enough to hear what people have to say about those comments.

    If it was ok to desex puppies at a very young age...why is it that registered breeders do not do this with their pet quality puppies? Some might, but the majority do not do this. Some breeders offer a "cash-back" facility, when owner can show they have desexed their pet quality puppies.

    Having a go at Di-dee for not wanting to desex at a VERY young age is the same thing as having a go a most registered breeders! They do not desex their pet quality puppies...they simply sell those puppies on Limited Register with for example Dogs NSW and tell the new owners that this puppy can not be used for show or breeding.

    We all have the option to read a thread and choose whether or not we want to reply. We also have a choice to say things in a nice manner or be hurtful. Things should be commented on with the full background story in mind and not just what we pick and choose to use.

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    Thanks, both of you.
    Chop, River will be getting vaccinations when due and I will ask for reimbursement of that (will show receipt) or you can do them yourself when you get him. As I said before, I don't want payment for him, himself. I am just stoked he is going to a great home.

    Clea, yes he did want to breed from her later and keep a pup, giving the others away.
    He did this 15 years ago and that is how I got Shads.
    Since that time he has had 3 bitches, 2 still alive, all entire, all never having a litter as he segregated them when in season. Pretty was here for her season but unbeknownst to him, due to a painful condition, since operated on, his wife moving out, he failed to notice another, a first split season.

    I am almost 100pc sure he will say the words that she is mine, Hubby is too. I am just going to wait till later to ask as Pretty will then have been here on a permanent basis longer, he will see his pup, whichever he chooses, running around. It is not as if I can spay her whilst she is feeding a litter.

    As for some people sitting behind pc screens with cat's bum pursed mouths, typing out their anal, uninformed in some areas comments, well, there are some on every board.
    Maybe This one will join a woman in Alaska who is on another board, a bird one, who attacks many without realising that there can be other right or different opinions bar her own. They would be great mates in their venom spewing.
    Last edited by Di_dee1; 11-08-2009 at 08:47 AM.

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    Di-Dee1, I think you have done a great job and you have shown to be both responsible and caring. I agree with you entirely about not desexing the pups at a young age. When I got Bingo from the RSPCA a few years ago, he was twelve weeks and we were told to come back when he was 6 months old to have him desexed. However, when we got Mimi, she was 8 weeks old and was already desexed. It was hurtful to see her at that age with a scar on her tummy. This is possibly why many desexed dogs have so many bladder and kidney problems.
    Di-Dee1, you are a very sensible person and I would trust your judgement any time!

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