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    Do other people here come across dogs that are off-leash whilst out walking their own?

    Went for a walk yesterday with Zeddy and the whole family, and he was the only dog that was on a leash. We walked down footpaths, through 1 park with signs that clearly stated dogs must be on leash, and through a quiet end section of the main shopping street.
    We encountered 8 dogs. Not one of them was on leash, but every owner finally put their dogs onto the leash when they were a couple of metres away from my dog.

    One of them actually asked me if I 'had a good hold of that dog?' while they bent to leash their dog.
    After our walk we were driving home, and passed a park which has large signs placed at all the entrances stating no dogs allowed in that section of park whatsoever. We spotted 3 dogs and their owners running around (all off leash.) Unbelievable.

    So much for off-leash parks. Where we went yesterday it looked like the whole town was an off-leash zone.

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    Grrr.

    How annoying was that comment?? "I hope you've got a good hold on that dog"!!!

    I hate unleashed dogs. Mine are never off except if they are in the local fenced oval and no other dogs are in sight. I'd never forgive myself if they took off and got hurt.

    I can't stand other people's dogs invading me and my dog's personal space.

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    How annoying was that comment?? "I hope you've got a good hold on that dog"!!!

    Very annoying, yes.

    They had a small dog, and as they walked past us they turned and told us that their dog thinks he's as big as ours. My teenage son was like wtf?

    We haven't seen one dog off leash around the streets where we live now, it's just that going on the same route gets boring, but there's only one way I can go. So we went to Latrobe for something different.

    Guess we got that!

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    While we are venting - I'll add one of my own.

    Took Frosty for a walk to our favourite oval - couldn't let her off lead because she likes to greet the baseballers who are trying to train, and it annoys them and is dangerous for her - and she likes to steal and eat the baseballs. And it can be really difficult to get her back on the lead.

    So there's some dogs to say hello to over there - so over we go. I know most of them already except there is a new merle border collie (BC) - gorgeous. So we have a pat and a discussion about stopping dogs from jumping on strangers, Frosty is upside down getting a belly rub and very happy when the evil not-pharoah hound (NPH) shows up (it's actually greyhound x great dane x something aggressive).

    This puppy dog is about 1m high at the withers, and very excitable. And it has already attacked Frosty twice. By attacked I mean it has jumped on frosty, growling and biting, and Frosty has screamed - she was already upside down in the submissive? i wanna be friends pose and this dog did not back off.

    So the owner of the dog is being jumped all over by the BC puppy (7 month old), and the BC is jumping all over the NPH's owner - who has a baby in one of those carry things on his chest - so the BC is jumping all over that too - and the BC's owner is asking the NPH owner not to encourage her dog to jump - he's patting and smooching the BC who is jumping (ARGH).

    And then the NPH owner says he's letting his NPH off the lead. I said - don't do that, it attacks my dog (which was still on lead). He says "Some might say that", So I say about my dog being attacked and screaming and say I'm leaving and if your dog comes near us I will kick it (as if I could be quick enough).

    But I was pretty frightened that he'd even contemplate letting his off lead, and he'd called me a liar. I wanted to get the dog rego and report him, but I was afraid either I or my dog would get hurt.

    So I left as fast as I could and I was very angry, and as I left - I could hear doggy screams from the oval. It's possible it could have been the noise the very excited NPH made but I suspect it was the noise the small white fluffy dogs also on the oval made when NPH beat them up. I will find out tomorrow when I catch up with my friends I suppose.

    I was lucky this morning that the same thing didn't happen when Monty the crazy whippet showed up but now that Frosty is bigger than Monty, I'm more worried my dog will kill Monty, in self defence than Monty hurt Frosty seriously and this is probably stupid but I'm not as scared of a whippet bite as a bite from a dog somewhat bigger than a greyhound, with a mouth like a crocodile.

    I feel like I need to take a cudgel next time I go to my favourite oval, to kill the NPH should it attack my dog again. Might phone the council tomorrow and ask their advice because I really didn't know what to do. I couldn't believe the NPH owner could be so arrogant and stupid. I hope he feeds his dog cadburys and it dies or it attacks his baby like it attacked mine. Sigh. The dog is about 6 months too late/big for being socialised in this way.

    I'm still really angry. It was so wrong.

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    Christ Hyacinth! What an episode. I'd be venting like mad.

    What is wrong with some owners? Are they just ignorant, as I'd prefer to think, or are they deep down asses?

    It's hard for me to comprehend these off-leash parks. I've never lived around one, never come across one actually (no, not in my entire life) and have never been out in public without my dogs being on leash at all times.

    I've had dogs that would lick anything and everything to death, but I guess I'm aware that one never truly knows what could happen at any moment.

    Was this oval an off-leash place? If not, I'd be contacting someone about it. An 'accident' waiting to happen?

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    Hey guys!

    Some people hey?

    Ok my turn.
    Took the girls to the doggy park today. Misi has a beagle firiend and I quite like talking to his owner. Last time they played together Misi nipped his ear. Nothing aggressive, just one of those things. Don't get me wrong, i was not happy about it. The owner offered to bring a muzzle for Misi to wear next time. I asked him why, that this was not her being aggressive , that she has no problems at all with any other dogs. He replied by saying that he could not handle anything happening to his dog and Misi being a bull breed and all.
    I was sooo angry! I tried not to show it, put Misi on her lead and left soon after.
    Today he was there with a muzzle. I wasn't sure whether to put it on her, leave or tell him to put it on his dog. I put it on Misi. She wasn't happy. She'd never worn one before. She tried to run with him, then stop to try and take the muzzle off and run again. A few mins later the beagle starts snapping and nipping Misi-he cornered her and wouldn't stop, this triggered Lola to run to the beagle like mad, growling etc. There's me trying to get the beagle off Misi, and standing between the beagle and Lola-and telling her to sit. The owner ended up getting hold of his dog, putting him on a lead and leaving. I just said that I thought it was the wrong dog wearing the muzzle.

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    Hi DA

    I don't think it matters if it was an off leash park or not.

    This oval is not really an official off leash park. When there is organised sport (which there was at the time) dogs are supposed to be on lead. There's a bit of leeway given that there is a soccer field next to the AFL oval - so if you have enough control over the dog to keep it off the soccer field where the baseballers were - then theoretically you can let it off lead on the AFL oval.

    It's not a "no dogs" place or a mandatory "on lead" place. Actually I'm not even sure it's clear about keeping dogs off when there is organised sport - there's stuff specific for other sports ovals but nothing on the council website for this one.

    State rules mandate that all dogs must be on lead on footpaths. There might be a state rule that covers "not otherwise specified" for council ovals. I can't find a specific page that states this though (several council websites do state it as if it is a State rule though).

    From our SA State dog and cat management rules...
    (2) A person who owns or is responsible for the control of a dog is guilty of an
    offence if the dog attacks, harasses or chases or otherwise endangers the health of
    a person or an animal or bird owned by or in the charge of another person
    (whether or not actual injury is caused).
    Maximum penalty: $2 500.
    Expiation fee: $210.


    Yikes - Frosty has the best fun chasing other dogs. Mind you if the dog seems upset or the owner seems upset, I stop her. Theoretically dogs chasing dogs is illegal.

    And bizarrely dogs restrained in cars is a dog cat management not traffic rule eg councils not police enforce the rule - no wait, the rule is the same as the Australian road rules and only applies to dogs in open tray utes/trucks, not inside ordinary sedans or wagons.

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    Yeah Hyacinth, if only all owners were responsible, things like what happened to you would be very few and far between.

    Ha, just my silly dream of a perfect world! Lol.

    Magdalena, I just love your parting comment to the other owner.

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    I think if someone brought a muzzle for my dog - I'd leave instead. If the owner feels that way - it's not worth the risk of being in the same space as them.

    Frosty with other dogs is amazing - she matches their level of play. If they're old or small - she's so gentle. If it's another willing cattle dog, they run, they hang off each others cheeks, ears, necks etc. One of her favourite playmates is a beagle puppy dog - who has a naughty habit of trying to play with dogs that tell her to go away. Frosty is quite a bit bigger than this beagle and frequently ends up with the "kill an antelope neck hold" but isn't inflicting any damage at all. If I think she's being excessive I "bab bab" at her and she lets go, the beagle pops up and runs back in for more.

    I read an article somewhere about training puppies to have a soft mouth and apparently all this hanging off faces without hurting puppy is a sign of a perfect soft mouth. woo hoo. It still scares the crap out of some owners though.

    I wish the dog and cat mgt rules reflected some understanding of dog behaviour - then again with us arguing over the alpha dog dominance vs leadership thing - maybe it's better to go by what scares humans...

    I think now might be the right time to ring council and report the latest three corner jacks and ask about the dog problem - though I probably won't see it for another month and a half.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    I think if someone brought a muzzle for my dog - I'd leave instead. If the owner feels that way - it's not worth the risk of being in the same space as them.

    Frosty with other dogs is amazing - she matches their level of play. If they're old or small - she's so gentle. If it's another willing cattle dog, they run, they hang off each others cheeks, ears, necks etc. One of her favourite playmates is a beagle puppy dog - who has a naughty habit of trying to play with dogs that tell her to go away. Frosty is quite a bit bigger than this beagle and frequently ends up with the "kill an antelope neck hold" but isn't inflicting any damage at all. If I think she's being excessive I "bab bab" at her and she lets go, the beagle pops up and runs back in for more.

    I read an article somewhere about training puppies to have a soft mouth and apparently all this hanging off faces without hurting puppy is a sign of a perfect soft mouth. woo hoo. It still scares the crap out of some owners though.

    I wish the dog and cat mgt rules reflected some understanding of dog behaviour - then again with us arguing over the alpha dog dominance vs leadership thing - maybe it's better to go by what scares humans...

    I think now might be the right time to ring council and report the latest three corner jacks and ask about the dog problem - though I probably won't see it for another month and a half.
    I agree with you H
    and I've decided to avoid the guy. I know roughly the time he goes there. Misi is also great with dogs and such fun to watch but the minute she does the 'kill an antelope neck hold' people think she's out of control. Lola is now pretty good too, more into running with dogs than playing though.

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