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    Yer that is fair enough. I don't see why we all have to do this or that.
    I think that if this suits you and you like it then and only then do it.
    We are and it works for us.
    This is one thing I really do beieve in is that no two dogs are the same no matter the
    breed. What works for me may not work for your you.

    Like I have a sore back and I hate it when I say it people who have got the same say did this happen to you. Well just because I have a sore back it may not be the same as the next person. I hope that is understandable as it reads a little hard even for me typing this.

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    So you do believe that if you allow your dog to go through the door first or if you sit on the floor with him and stuff that that will make him think he's alpha dog?

    From the posts I've read, I don't think our methods and how we try to be leaders to our dogs is that different actually.
    Last edited by Beloz; 08-30-2011 at 08:05 PM.

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    I make Murphy sit and we enter or go out first then he follows.
    This is what we do with him and we will continue to do this.
    But I am unsure what you want me to say or are you just trying to get a rise out of me.
    You may not like what I am doing but I can tell you it is working for us.
    So in regards to your last post I am a little unsre what you are asking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rid**** View Post
    I make Murphy sit and we enter or go out first then he follows.
    This is what we do with him and we will continue to do this.
    But I am unsure what you want me to say or are you just trying to get a rise out of me.
    You may not like what I am doing but I can tell you it is working for us.
    So in regards to your last post I am a little unsre what you are asking.
    I am not at all trying to get a rise out of you nor criticising you in any way over how you train your dog.

    I'm just overanalysing the OP, I think.

    I think we all have our own rules and slightly different views on what makes a well-behaved dog and that is totally fine. (And my dog has to sit before we go out too.)

    Sorry if my post was confusing or irritating.

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    It isn't irritating I just didn't know what you wanted to know and that was all.
    I like you have our ways of training. I have had dogs for a long while and all have been trained.
    But none as good as our last dogs due to the fact that I actually took them to obedience training. Which I never done before, but now would not own a dog and not take it there, as I know I don't know it all so I want to learn.
    And the last 4 dogs we have owned have all been different.
    the Rottie was a lay back type, the Westie was the natural fiesty terrier, the Red Heeler was don't get in my face, the Koolie Cross was I'll do it when I want to and now Murphy still gotta full work him out but is a happy boy.

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    Even dogs of the same Breed can be totally different and different training is used for each dog in our household.....I have one sooky newfie, Katy. If you were ever loud at her or yelled, she would be devastated. I have one who has to be kept in line, she was our aggressive Rescue, I am firm and direct. My newfies are low prey drive and my Border collie cross is high prey drive. So each and everyone is treated differently. Maybe the first rule should be "there are no rules".............And work with the dog the way the dog is best worked with. It is the end result, when you see the dog with the owner, which decide is it working for this team.
    A lot of people are able to work with their dogs and do not follow any rules, it goes by feel. What feels right.
    I think the real proof is seeing people with their dog and seeing how they behave.
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    To that I agree with the owners and their dogs.
    Tonight I was doing some puppy class homework.
    I had Murphy sit then I walked away and told him to stay. And he did.
    Then I called him and he came. To this point it is starting to work a little better.
    Such a pleasing result with that one.
    I then asked the wife to do what I had just done as I know she isn't as confident with him as I am. This is okay as I spend more time with him overall so it stand to reason he will work better with me.
    When she walked off he followed, she never called his name and he came.
    So I done it again so she could see just how I done it so she could copy the way I done it.
    He done better the second time around, though I know as does the wife knows those two need to do more together to get them to work as a team.

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    Like a lot of the posts here I also think everything has to be taken on a case by case basis.

    Every person is different and every dog is different. Some people with little effort seem to be able to mold the more dominant dog another person may need to follow a more structured relationship with the same dog.

    I have six dog, four are of the same breed with another being in the same group of dogs & each is a little different.

    They eat after us of a morning, they don't have lunch and eat before us at night. Sometimes they walk thru a doorway before me and sometimes behind me.

    I know who the leader is of the dogs and the other dogs will often go thru a door before her, after all they are quicker at getting there, the Whippets will sleep on the lounge and the Gordon the oldest at 5.5yrs and the leader sleeps on the floor, that is where she is comfortable.

    However if they have a toy or a bone she wants she has to only look at the others and they will give it up. Watching her she has certain things that are important to her and the others must conform to her wishes, when it's not important to her she doesn't care what they do. So if I was to look at the alpha/leadership role based on how my top dog perceives it, I concentrate on what is important to me and not sweat the other stuff.
    Last edited by MAC; 08-31-2011 at 10:28 AM.

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    How interesting to hear your observations of your own little pack, Mac!

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    Yes it is different when you own a pack.And they teach more then any website or book can teach. Just thinking about what you wrote MAC, we have the same. Katy the lowest of our dogs nearly always is first out of the door. Luke the highest often the last. Makes for interesting observation. Luke however never takes anything from anyone. Annabelle however second in line give "the look" and gets what she wants from Katy and Tessa.
    Luke is also the peacemaker.If Annabelle and Tessa have a little squabble over a bone, he goes over and just stands looking taller.......Squabble over.
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