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    Quote Originally Posted by Malinois-72 View Post
    Dont hold your breath, I'm not stupid
    Oh nah, I dont think your stupid!
    I just thought DA asked for advice from you, and I was just interested to see what information you gave her.
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    Zed has also had free run of the house since arriving.

    I have been putting him outside (back yard) on and off all morning. He knows the words outside and inside, so that's easy. I shut the door (with him outside) and he began the morning by carrying on, barking, howling, whining, 'let me in' stuff.
    I have been regularly practicing the command 'that's enough, be quiet' and only when he obeys, shuts up and has been sitting at the back door quietly for a few minutes do I let him in. He's getting the idea.
    Of course, don't know if that's gonna help with the stranger problem, but possibly a good start in establishing my dominance regarding when he barks and carries on and when he doesn't?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malinois-72 View Post
    Dont follow what you mean?
    Hi Malinois-72

    What did I mean that you didn't get. Um. Let me try to explain in more straight forward style.

    OP aka "Opening Post" by Devil's Advocate - asked for "Malinois Particularily", and I thought he meant owners of Malinois, and AussieMf7 suggested maybe he meant the person with the user id Malinois-72. So I wrote that I missed that idea - which I did - no reflection on you. And then I referred to you as "Spider Fan" which clearly distinguishes you from the dog breed/owners of the dog breed Malinois to avoid confusion. And I liked "Spider Fan" because it sounds like "Spider Man".

    A PM is a "Personal Message" which is a way of contacting someone directly without broadcasting the message to the entire forum and anyone else on the internet that cares to have a look or a search.

    And the comment that referred to you - meant - while I think my comments for helping dog behaviour might help a malinois, they probably wouldn't apply to you aka Malinois-72, because you're not a dog (I assume, I'm always open to the possibility I might be wrong).

    What I don't understand now - is why you think that it would be stupid of you to answer DA's question. You could always add a disclaimer along the lines of "I don't promise this techique will work for you or your dog". It's probably more stupid of me to answer it, with no formal qualifications in dog training and not much experience with that type of dog either.
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    And having suggested it's stupid of me to reply...

    I'll have another go.

    There was an "its me or the dog" on the telly last weekend, and Victoria suggested that pulling the aggressive dog away from its target by the collar - makes him feel more threatened and aggressive.

    She did some body blocking - she moved between the dog and his target so he couldn't see the target properly. And then she was able to distract him and get him to do what she wanted (sit, drop etc).

    And then she went into "bar open" mode with two kinds of treats - high value cheese and tripe (I'd use fritz/devon), and low value dog kibble. And the dog got the best treat for the best behavior ie focussing on Victoria and not looking at the target.

    She also did a bit of walking towards the "target" and away from it, until the dog was calmer.

    All this was for a dog that was very dog aggressive and very insecure around strange dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate View Post
    Zed has also had free run of the house since arriving.

    I have been putting him outside (back yard) on and off all morning. He knows the words outside and inside, so that's easy. I shut the door (with him outside) and he began the morning by carrying on, barking, howling, whining, 'let me in' stuff.
    I have been regularly practicing the command 'that's enough, be quiet' and only when he obeys, shuts up and has been sitting at the back door quietly for a few minutes do I let him in. He's getting the idea.
    Of course, don't know if that's gonna help with the stranger problem, but possibly a good start in establishing my dominance regarding when he barks and carries on and when he doesn't?
    DA that is at least a reinforcing command,its similar enough to be able to relate to the other problem and what you are trying to acheive.
    I would just try to not ask for too much too soon.

    Evey was the same out walking,could walk past dogs,people etc with no reaction other than an interested look and perhaps a bounce or two.
    But when it came to protecting the home and me ....that was entirely different.

    Just thought I'd mention as well , one of the things we ended up doing was to use a muzzle on her,just a nylon one,when friends that were dog savvy would visit. One friend in particular is very clued up and we used to try on a regular basis to remedy this situation.
    As she was experienced she knew to just turn away and ignore Eve when she was being 'aggressive'....only offering interaction when Evey had either settled by me or just laid/sit on floor near us both. We knew she could do no harm with the muzzle on and for awhile this did seem to elicit a positive response.

    But unfortunately it was only with those few that we worked on with often that she showed improvement,any other people would still create a full on reaction.

    Not sure if that may be an avenue for you to try though ?
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    Yeah right "pop him in the crate" is just what might f***d him up. In my experience, a lot of show dogs have little or no discipline at all (no offence to anyone), as all they do is look pretty and all the training they receive is from show handling. He's obviously in distress when someone comes at the door, and yes, he might go for an average person, however, if you'd get someone who knows about dogs and knows what to expect and how to behave, he wouldn't. Does he have his own spot in the house, like his bed or something? Does he know to go there on command? If not, try to teach him. Then try to get someone who will work with you guys (a few people perhaps) and come to the door occasionally. When they ring the door, you send the dog to his spot (bed) and order him to stay there. If he wants to come at the dor, stand infron of him and don't let him through. Don't open the door 'til he settles down.
    Also, what Choppa suggested she did with her friends might work.

    My rottie hates strangers, especially men, and at first we had a problem because she'd grap people by the hill as they would walk pass her, she was constantly preying on them, watching their every move, fixated on them. It was quite frustrating, but we worked on that issue the way I described above - sending her to her spot, then allowing her to approach and sniff the guest, us first being positioned in front of her. She's fine now, although she still watches their every move but not in the way she did before. Her eyes would just go black, different, the hair on her back standing high, she was not a great sight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    and Victoria suggested that pulling the aggressive dog away from its target by the collar - makes him feel more threatened and aggressive.

    She did some body blocking - she moved between the dog and his target so he couldn't see the target properly. And then she was able to distract him and get him to do what she wanted (sit, drop etc).
    That's exactly what I was writing about.

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    Choppa, thank you very much for your assistance and kind words, also.

    I certainly took on board your comment regarding not piling him up with too many new things expected of him at this time. Thanks.

    I have also considered the possibility that it is fear aggression instead. I mean, he hasn't been here very long and I'm surprised that he could show this extent of territorial aggression so fast, so...just a possibility to consider.

    Stranger arrives- maybe he thinks he'll be taken away somewhere else again? Far-fetched? Don't know. He has bonded to us very quickly, so I'm grasping at straws I guess, trying to get to the bottom of it. Then I can set about fixing it.

    Now to set record straight re my request that Malinois offer me assistance if he can -
    For several reasons I believe he may have certain knowledge that can help me with this specific problem. Simple as that.
    That was not to say that there aren't many others on this forum who may be able to help me with this.

    It is a bloody forum! I have asked for advice. I thank all those who have given advice and appreciate those who have given it in a constructive way. Everybody has their own opinion and different advice - it is then up to me to take all differing advice on board and decide what to use in this scenario.

    It is a serious problem that I cannot take lightly for obvious reasons. I need to find the solution, not only for the well-being of my dog, but also for the well-being and safety of all visitors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fedra View Post
    Yeah right "pop him in the crate" is just what might f***d him up. In my experience, a lot of show dogs have little or no discipline at all (no offence to anyone), as all they do is look pretty and all the training they receive is from show handling. He's obviously in distress when someone comes at the door, and yes, he might go for an average person, however, if you'd get someone who knows about dogs and knows what to expect and how to behave, he wouldn't. Does he have his own spot in the house, like his bed or something? Does he know to go there on command? If not, try to teach him. Then try to get someone who will work with you guys (a few people perhaps) and come to the door occasionally. When they ring the door, you send the dog to his spot (bed) and order him to stay there. If he wants to come at the dor, stand infron of him and don't let him through. Don't open the door 'til he settles down.
    Also, what Choppa suggested she did with her friends might work.

    My rottie hates strangers, especially men, and at first we had a problem because she'd grap people by the hill as they would walk pass her, she was constantly preying on them, watching their every move, fixated on them. It was quite frustrating, but we worked on that issue the way I described above - sending her to her spot, then allowing her to approach and sniff the guest, us first being positioned in front of her. She's fine now, although she still watches their every move but not in the way she did before. Her eyes would just go black, different, the hair on her back standing high, she was not a great sight.
    Yes Fedra, I think you are 100% correct re the show thing. I'm sure show people wouldn't agree, but the show-ring circuit is such a different place from the average everyday world that my dog is now expected to live in.

    He is trained to go into his crate on command. Has been for years apparently. However he has not used the crate at all since arriving here; he just chooses to be wherever I am. I've learnt to shut the loo door behind me! Lol.) I tried him with it today, and sure enough, on command he does go into it and lay down.

    I do know of one person who may be able to help. She is a professional dog trainer and has also had many GSD's over the past 35 years. She has seen this sort of thing often with show-dogs, which reinforces your comments too.
    I will be giving her a call late morning tomorrow in the hope of catching her then.

    Re your Rottie - yep, it's not a nice sight, is it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post

    What I don't understand now - is why you think that it would be stupid of you to answer DA's question. You could always add a disclaimer along the lines of "I don't promise this techique will work for you or your dog". It's probably more stupid of me to answer it, with no formal qualifications in dog training and not much experience with that type of dog either.
    Ha!

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